thank you for posting all those valuable updates for us. Though I must confess that it is very hurting to go through all of this again. BUT I want to stick with the conviction that the whole truth will come out!! AND IT WILL!! If we all stick with this aim and do not let us get down whatever is said or might happen in this court room, we will make it!! And so we will keep on supporting not only the court proceedings to take its correct destination - which is JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL, BUT WE KEEP ON SUPPORTING AND CARRYING MICHAEL.
I've been reading and watching with great interest as the preliminaries get underway. To be perfectly frank, I did think there was a real possibilty that the trial would sort of disintegrate, citing lack of evidence or some other clap-trap. After reading about the meeting at Michael's house, it struck me how completely alone he must have felt. Completely alone. Struggling to figure out where all his money went, trying to care for the children and provide for their futures as well as his mother, involved in a business venture in which his business partners were hoping and wishing him to fail. Who was there he could trust? Not a soul. Tragic.
I understand you and the feelings you are going through. This is more than an unpleasant story but do not let it get you down please. I know it is not always easy to handle this but we better keep our energy focused on the good and true outcome for Michael.
Concerning your question about Michael´s body still being warm or cold I can only give you a general answer from my experience as I worked for some years in a children´s hospital. To learn more detaiIs about it it would be be good to ask a specialist. I myself experienced some children cooling very fast after their death, sometimes they cooled down partly very fast or step by step and felt warm for a longer time at different spots of their body, sometimes still after up to 3 (or sometimes some more time) hours. I am not quite sure about it as I have never really thought about it but maybe that it at least partly depends on how someone passes and of course the state the person was in before their death and / or the time a person had needed for their passing. But after a certain time a dead body has cooled completely. This is only speculation and I hope it does not feel disgusting for you - maybe LaToya touched a still warm spot of Michael´s body or the newspapers simply wrote that to create confusion again. This would not surprise me. And however, dear Sunflower, Michael was not given the smallest chance to survive :(( ... .
Ute -I think you did a very nice job of explaining the death experience for those who are left on this side of the veil. I have been studying Near Death experiences as of late, and people have described a feeling of being cold as the heart slows down before completely stopping. Plus, if Michael actually died at home, his real body temperature had to have been quite cool. To have the details of MJ's death, as stark as they will prove to be, exposed/explained once again will hopefully bring Michael some justice. The individual(s) responsible for his death are still free to walk this earth. That is what upsets me. Patti
More inconsistancies here. It's always been said that Murray called for Prince to come up to the room. Now we hear that both Prince & Paris walked into the room and the doc orders them out?!
Sunflower, you expressed my frustrations re all the inconsistancies so well! ..and I also appreciate what Carmen had to say on this topic. Very well said! I do pray these things will not hinder the prosection's case in the long run.
I know that I have posted this several times before but I feel I need to say it again:
When I asked Michael about the drug situation he said he was on a pain maintenance regime. He was not a drug addict and the autopsy backs this up. This is also backed up by Thomas Mesereau and Dr. Treacy. Both men that I find very credible who have nothing to gain or lose.
When I asked Michael what he remembered shortly before his death, he gave me a completely different story than what is in the media and now in court. The story does not hold up under any kind of examination, unless of course you believe all parties involved are incompetent.
All of the publicity stories told by Michael's so-called friends are now being used in an attempt to get Murray acquitted. If you go back and listen to the first public channeled statements you will see how angry Michael is about this very thing. He told us the truth and his anger is well founded.
IMHO, Bonnie
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Hi Patti, your welcome and thank you for adding your studies on Near Death experience. It is a diverse topic.
Hi everyone.
this song has kept playing in my head all day long. I would like to share it with you just in these moments. And I want to give it to Michael as a thank and a sign as he gave and still gives us so much and to underline that we are here for him! You might have the same experience - I always hear the right song in the right moment, mostly Michael´s. "I, me , my " - I would like to change into " we, us, our " .
I just read your post and wanted to say that I totally agree here. And I think that it is clear for us all here that Michael HAD NEVER BEEN a drug addict as they want to sell us the story. I only hope that all this unpleasant truth will unfurl NOW!! Some of the "witnesses" up to yesterday are not very reliable to me. And Dr. Mesereau is really brilliant in bringing facts to the point. A thank to him too! We can also do our part to tell that to the people whenever possible.
Thank you again Bonnie for all the valuable work you do for Michael and giving him so much your support .
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Mar and Ute - thank you so much for the information and words of support. I know we are all hurting all over again to hear these horrible things.
Bonnie - not that I EVER doubted you - but, have you ever been shown to be RIGHT ON with all of this.
Ute - thanks for sharing that song. It made me cry AGAIN. lol But, it is so true because the first time we went through his death - we did not have each other. That was AWFUL to be so grief-stricken and not understanding how it could have hit "ME" so hard beings I did not know him - but, then for it to go on for as long as it did before Michael let me know where to go for help.
And, YES . . I know exactly what you mean about songs from Michael to guide our lives by. Songs that you WAKE up in the middle of the night and there it is and plays over and over and over again for hours on end or maybe even an entire DAY. For me . .. I would finally have to say, "ok - Michael .. . I GOT IT. I am not to be angry with her. Love her and YOU WILL BE THERE". or so many many other things.
Actually, found Bonnie because of asking Michael what to do. I was scared to death when I first entered in here though. lol I really was. That seems like a million years ago. (Sorry Bonnie. It was all just too way out there for me - even though I had experienced things in my life as well that I could not talk about to anyone around me really).
Oh - one more comment . .. I completely agree with Pebuck about him being so scared and so alone. I have the feeling if he had his money of years past - a LOT of things he would not have put up with.
And, Irina - YES .. . Murray seemed afraid of someone by Michael coming home early from work?? Something is VERY VERY wrong here!!
Gosh - I must sign off by saying that my heart is absolutely crying for Katherine, Joe, the siblings and the kids. How very painful.
Bonnie, Thank you so very much for all of the updates.
Reading all of the details surrounding Michael's last days and passing I must confess is very, very difficult as all of it conjures up some truly painful images.
Same as with everyone else here all of the pain that I felt when Michael passed is being dredged up again. It is not easy to bear for me. I can imagine that it must be unbearable for Michael's mother and children. I feel very sorry for the family as they have, in addition to going through all of that pain again, so many astoundingly overwhelming untruths and distortions to deal with here.
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I was wondering if you could add the first video on the left part way down the page in the URL below.
The reporter is talking about something that I had heard before. A professional has said that Propofol is so fast acting that Michael could not of injected himself.
THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE ARTICLES AND INFORMATIONS! YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING! :-)) But I have one question: I read in an article that the paramedics found Michael in the bed with open mouth and eyes! I was very shocked about the open eyes because it doesn't add up with the propofol. If you get propofol you fall "asleep" within seconds and you close your eyes automatically. So how could he have had open eyes?
---------- "...be alive, be free, feel consciousness, subsciousness, being GOD..." MJ
when you get drugs and anasthetics like propofol for surgery you fall asleep and your eyes are closed first. Being drugged for surgery is an artificial kind of sleep and so - btw this happens while we are sleeping too - our eyes open more or less during this procedure. Therefore the patients are given eye ointment so that the eyes do not dry because the usual reflex like in a normal sleep - to keep our eyes humid does not work. Moreover when the eyes are not held down after death until the body is cold they also open after a while. And we should remember which cocktail of drugs Michael was given, so it is not unususal to find him with open eyes. But dry eyes speak themselves. So Michael was already dead for some time when the paramedics came . :((((( And it is known that Prince saw his father right that way.
I hope this helps a bit.
Michael, sorry that I explain these things here. I would have rather told my fellow boarders how brilliantly you had done your concert...
Girlfriend of Jackson's doctor set to take stand – Dr. Conrad Murray's girlfriend is expected to testify Friday on the fourth day of a preliminary hearing to determine whether the physician should be tried on an involuntary manslaughter charge in the death of singer Michael Jackson.
Thursday's testimony revealed that Murray placed a two-minute cell phone call to Nicole Alvarez from inside an ambulance as paramedics worked to revive Jackson during the ride to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center on June 25, 2009.
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will decide if there is probable cause to send Murray's case to trial. The hearing is expected to last two or three weeks with 20 to 30 witnesses.
Dr. Conrad Murray appears at Los Angeles Superior Court with his his attorney Ed Chernoff on April 5, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection with the death of pop singer Michael Jackson. The doctor was personal physician to Jackson when he died from an overdose of a powerful prescription sedative at the age of 50 on June 25, 2009. (Photo by David McNew/Getty Images)
From iesalem
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Before paramedics wheeled Michael Jackson into the emergency room, Dr. Richelle Cooper was sure he was dead.
More than an hour of resuscitation efforts at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center didn’t change her opinion — the King of Pop had died in the bedroom of his rented mansion.
Based on what Jackson’s personal physician told her, though, she didn’t quite know why.
Murray told her he had seen Jackson stop breathing and immediately started CPR, but prosecutors say that’s not what happened. Instead, over three days and a dozen witnesses at a preliminary hearing, they have put forth a timeline in which Jackson died in the bedroom of his rented mansion and Murray delayed calling 911 to conceal his actions.
Cooper testified she authorized paramedics to pronounce Jackson dead at 12:57 p.m., but they declined at Murray’s request and because of the singer’s celebrity. After an ambulance ride trailed by paparazzi and more than an hour of efforts in the ER, Cooper officially pronounced Jackson dead at 2:26 p.m. on June 25, 2009.
She said that Murray never told her he had given Jackson the anesthetic propofol, which Cooper said she typically uses in the ER for patients with head trauma or serious injuries.
The Houston-based cardiologist charged in Jackson’s death also didn’t mention several other sedatives he administered, which Cooper said could have amplified the propofol’s effects and caused Jackson to stop breathing before his heart stopped beating.
The testimony came during a multi-day preliminary hearing in which a judge will decide whether there is enough evidence for Murray to stand trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge. Murray, who has pleaded not guilty, faces up to four years in prison if convicted.
With Cooper and another UCLA doctor, prosecutors have elicited testimony from five witnesses who said Murray either never mentioned the all the drugs he had given Jackson, or tried to conceal them.
Paramedic Martin Blount, who also testified Thursday, said he saw Murray scoop up three vials of the painkiller lidocaine from the floor of Jackson’s bedroom during resuscitation efforts. Blount said he was surprised to see the medications because Murray had told him that he hadn’t given the singer any drugs.
Murray’s attorney, Joseph Low IV, did not even question Blount’s description of the lidocaine, although another defense attorney pointedly questioned the UCLA doctors about whether candid disclosures from the doctor would have saved Jackson.
Cooper said while it wouldn’t have changed her efforts to revive Jackson, knowing that Murray had given the singer several sedatives and propofol would have added to her understanding of why the singer had died.
“I would be concerned particularly if there were other medications given, that it would lead to a respiratory arrest, which would lead to a cardiac arrest,” Cooper said.
Nicole Alvarez, a girlfriend Murray called while riding in the ambulance to UCLA, has been ordered to appear in court on Friday. The hearing will also feature detectives, coroner’s officials and experts on propofol’s effects in the coming days.
Before the hearing is over, a judge may hear Murray’s version of events as well, as he relayed them to police detectives three days after Jackson’s death.
Deputy District Attorney David Walgren has said he will use Murray’s statements and testimony to show that the 57-year-old’s actions represented “an extreme deviation from the standard of care.”
THANK YOU SO MUCH UTE FOR YOUR EXPLAINATION! :-) I was so shocked about this picture in my mind...now it feels a little bit "better" if one can use that word in this context. Thank you! ---------- "...be alive, be free, feel consciousness, subsciousness, being GOD..." MJ
Justice4MJ and MJ4Justice runs this Ustream. They are very clear in their belief that Conrad Murray is the only one responsible for Michael's death. They have one or two people reporting during the court breaks. Their reports are their impressions of what they experienced in the court room. This is not news reporting, but it is like-minded fans doing what they can to help Michael.
If you have any opinions or beliefs that do not match this they will not be welcomed.
I have been listening to this broadcast and found many things said as fact that are not. For instance a bodyguard saying that they thought Michael hired Dr. Murray does not make it a fact. It is just an opinion. If the bodyguard had the signed contract in his hands then it would be a fact. They are saying over and over that in court it was said that Dr. Murray was hired by Michael. This is very misleading and one example of many. It is a fan group trying to help. God Bless them but please be careful taking information as fact.
Also, Justice4MJ participated in the video for Hold My Hand. Both groups see no issue in HEAVILY promoting and purchasing material released after Michael's death.
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“Investigator Elissa Fleak testified Friday that nine of the bottles were found in a bag labeled "Baby Essentials" in the closet.” That is news to me. I never heard that before.
Bonnie, do you know what is the significants of the mislabeled bag?
P.S. What do you think of this video where it is talking about the prosecution wanting to go for a plea and not go to trial in the video below?
I do not know anything about the mislabeled bag. I have not seen that detail anywhere else.
Sadly the scene was not sealed at the time of Michael's death. There were many people in and out. Many items were missing from the house. No one talks about the missing money, jewelry and hard drives with Michael's unreleased material. No one talks about the alarm system not working. The owners of the rental house filed a claim against the estate to be compensated for repairs to the security and phone systems. No surveillance tapes either. This whole thing just smells really bad.
The prosecution HAS NOT RESTED their case. It can only be speculation to talk about plea deals. Way too soon for that.
Michael has always said to look past Dr. Murray and follow the money. I stand by Michael.
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Hi B yes I have to agree with you on that. Saying it was reliable was not an accurate word only that it was there and they do come out and tell what they saw. I commend the technology and would prefer a non fan with a reasonable legal mind doing the chat room. But we are always stuck with the likes of the TMZ's and the people who need to be right. So if this continues I suggest setting up a alternate ustream and chat. Not hard to do. I know he said follow the money :)
Look at the big pink sign filmed by Carmen outside the courthouse in the first of her recent videos of the first day of the hearing. It makes a clear reference to the money trail Michael spoke of. I agree with Bonnie.
Interesting that the TMZ Livestream did not show all this fan presence and the signs being held outside the courthouse on that day.
Hi Marta, I am familiar with the technology. I used UStream and Skype when I recorded the Connection channeling. If I lived in the area I would be there.
Hi Irina, this is my concern with the whole thing. The only person charged is Murray. I wish there was a way to increase the scope of this case. None of this Murray stuff makes any sense.
Waitress Says She Was on Phone with Murray the Day Michael Jackson Died (CNS) Posted Friday January 7, 2011 – 9:22am
A Houston cocktail waitress testified today that she was on the phone with Michael Jackson's personal physician the day the singer died, apparently at the time the pop superstar was found unresponsive in his rented Holmby Hills estate.
Prosecutors contend that Dr. Conrad Murray gave Jackson a powerful sedative called propofol to help him sleep, then failed to properly monitor him -- instead making a series of telephone calls before discovering the 50-year- old singer had stopped breathing.
Testifying at a hearing to determine if Murray, 57, should stand trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge, Sade Anding said she met the doctor while working at a Texas steakhouse in February 2009, and they exchanged phone numbers.
Anding said she was in Houston when she received a phone call from Murray on June 25, 2009 -- the day Jackson died.
"He told me that he was doing well," she said. "I cut him off and I started talking."
About five or 10 minutes into the conversation, however, she realized Murray wasn't on the phone anymore, Anding testified.
"I heard a commotion ... coughing, mumbling of voices," she said, adding that she was unsure if the mumbling was coming from Murray.
Anding said she stayed on the phone for about five minutes, saying it was unusual for Murray to stop responding.
"I just remember saying, 'Hello? Hello? Hello? Are you there? Are you there? Are you there?' she said.
Anding said she eventually hung up the phone and tried to call Murray back, and tried sending him text messages, but he never responded.
Anding said she didn't speak to Murray again until after she was contacted by Los Angeles police detectives. She said after police contacted her, she called Murray.
Murray apologized that she had been put in that situation, and advised her to call his lawyer and have him present if she met with the police, Anding said.
On the stand Thursday and today, Los Angeles police Detective Dan Myers testified that Murray -- who had two cellular phones in his name -- had made or received 11 calls totaling just under 90 minutes between 7:01 a.m. and 11:51 a.m. June 25, 2009.
Prosecutors contend that Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection with Jackson's death, administered propofol to Jackson at the singer's rented home between 10:40 and 11 a.m.
Myers said the doctor's phone calls that morning included a 32-minute call to his practice in Las Vegas. They also included an 11-minute call made just before the doctor called Jackson's personal assistant at 12:12 p.m. to report that the singer had a "bad reaction," according to cellular phone records presented by Myers.
The calls also included one at 1:08 p.m. -- when other witnesses testified Murray was making a phone call from the ambulance containing Jackson -- to the mother of Murray's child, Myers said.
Prosecutors contend that Murray had "abandoned his patient" after administering the propofol.
An emergency room doctor at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center -- where Jackson was pronounced dead -- testified Thursday that propofol is not generally used outside of hospitals, and patients who are given the medication are usually connected to heart monitors.
Jackson died of acute propofol intoxication.
Prosecutors contend that Murray failed to tell paramedics or doctors that he had administered propofol to the singer and took steps that were an "extreme deviation from the standard of care."
They also contend Murray and security personnel collected drug vials and other materials from the room before calling 911.
Two emergency room doctors from Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center testified Thursday that Murray never told them he had given the pop superstar a powerful sedative that eventually killed him.
Dr. Richelle Cooper testified that the singer "had no signs of life" when he was brought to the hospital.
She said she asked Murray what medications Jackson was on, and Murray said only the anxiety medication lorazepam. Cooper said Murray did not say he had given Jackson propofol.
Dr. Thao Nguyen, a cardiology fellow at UCLA, testified that she was introduced to Murray at the hospital and asked him what had happened.
Murray told Nguyen that Jackson -- who had been rehearsing for a series of concerts in London -- was very tired but had difficulty sleeping and required some medications to help him rest, she said.
The doctor said she asked Murray what medications Jackson was given, and Murray mentioned only lorazepam.
Doctors worked on Jackson from the time the ambulance arrived at 1:13 p.m. until 2:26 p.m., when the singer was pronounced dead, Nguyen said.
The preliminary hearing, which began Tuesday, is expected to last seven to eight days and include between 20 and 30 witnesses to be called by the prosecution.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will then decide whether there is enough evidence for Murray to stand trial on the involuntary manslaughter charge, which could land him in prison for four years.
According to court papers, Murray has admitted giving Jackson propofol, but the doctor insists he did not give anywhere near the amount that would have caused his death.
During a hearing last month, prosecutors indicated the defense was planning to argue that Jackson injected himself with more of the drug, essentially killing himself.
Defense attorneys were not expected to call any witnesses during the preliminary hearing.
Propofol and Lidocaine are used together. Lidocaine is not medication it is used in conjunction with Propofol because Propofol burns when it's being injected. So right there you can cross Lidocaine off the list. They're trying to make it sound like it was something separate when it wasn't.
Then there's Lorazepam. The Lorazepam was prescribed on April 28, 2009 and contained 30 pills. On June 25, 2009-two months later- there will still 9 pills remaining. So Michael took 21 pills of this in a two month time span.
Then there's Diazepam. It was issued on June 20, 2009 (the same day Michael was told he was going to lose everything if he backed out of the concerts) One thing Diazepam treats is anxiety. What person wouldn't have anxiety after being treated the way Michael was at the meeting. I think for someone to tell you they are going to take your children away would cause anyone to have anxiety. Anyway...there were 60 pills of Diazepam prescribed on June 20, 2009 and on June 25, 2009 there were 57 remaining. That means he only took three within the span of 5-6 days.
Then there's Temazepam. This was prescribed in December of 2008 and on June 25, 2009 there were still 3 pills left. This was something he had stopped taking a while ago and Temazepam did not show up in the toxicology report.
Then there's Trazodone. This was issued to him in April of 2009. It was a prescription for 60 pills and on June 25 there were still 38 pills left. This was also something he stopped taking quite some time ago. Trazodone did not show up in the toxicology report.
Then there's Flomax. Flomax has nothing to do with any of this. I don't even know why they mentioned it.
Then there's Clonazepam. This was issued in April with 30 pills and on June 25 there were still 8 remaining. Once again, something he was no longer taking. This was not found in his toxicology report either.
Then there's Tizanidine. A prescription for ten pills was issued on June 7, 2009 and on June 25, 2009 there were 8 left. So in the span of more than two weeks, he took two of these pills. Tizanidine was also not found in the toxicology report.
Last but not least there's Hydrocodone and Benoquin. I have no idea why these are even listed. They are not medication. They are creams and lotions that Michael used for his skin.
So, out of all of that BS what they found in Michael was: Propofol, Lorazepam, Diazepam, and Tizanidine. And guess who gave him ALL of that in the early morning of June 25, 2009...Dr. Murray.
If you were to go inside a random person's house and look at the medication they have, I guarantee you that you would find close to the same amount of prescriptions as Michael had. It's clear to see he was not taking this day in and day out. When people have medication that doesn't work or that they don't feel is right for them, they usually stop taking it. Which is EXACTLY what Michael did. My cabinet is full of old prescriptions.
This just makes me crazy! I don't understand why the general public can't see the TRUTH here and what the media is trying to do!
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15 Liters sounds like an enormous amount of Prpofol considering that each liter is about 4 cups equivalent. This sounds astronomical. "Boatload" is right. At the same time the doctor is allegedly defending Michael to the insurance company.
The handwriting is on the wall here... Somebody somewhere better have stronger evidence against the doctor. It is all leading up to a "slap on the wrist" unless there is stronger evidence presented to convict him if all this goes to trial post these hearings.
It is all building up to an "I tried to save him from himself" cop out. :(
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This is the beyond belief, but this is where the defense is headed.
In case you are wondering the effects of drinking this stuff here is a link: http://www.tevausa.com/assets/base/products/msds/Propofol_MSDS.pdf
Defense: Michael Jackson Drank Propofol
Michael Jackson may have drank himself to death by consuming a juice box laced with Propofol -- at least that's what Conrad Murray's defense team suggested in court today.
Murray's attorney, J. Michael Flanagan, was questioning a Senior Criminalist from the L.A. County Coroner's Office about the 70 grams of fluid found in MJ's stomach at the time of the autopsy ... fluid that tested positive for traces of Propofol.
Flanagan noted the presence of a juice box on MJ's nightstand ... and asked if it had been tested for Propofol ... raising the possibility that MJ was sippin' on the anesthetic shortly before he died.
The criminalist testified he had not tested the juice box.
So what's Flanagan's point? He might be suggesting that MJ was secretly self-administering his Propofol ... which would support Murray's defense theory that MJ accidentally caused his own overdose.
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Yes. This IS BEYOND BELIEF. :( I just hope that people wake up and see that Michael may have been somewhat charmingly eccentric and unique, as many highly artistic personalities are, but he was not by any means crazy. Reading all of todays articles makes me want to scream! Sipping Propofol from a juice box. What is next?
The level of manipulation that is going on in that hearing is disgusting.
Bonnie, I cannot get over today's developments. :(((((((
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I have no words that could express my frustration at this point!!! What kind of criminalist would leave a container of fluid of any kind "untested" in a potential crime scene of this kind?? ..and can we know that someone else didn't taint the juice in the box with the propofol, with the intention of killing him?
Irina - YES, some good Scream Therapy would be useful about now, but I live in an apartment.
Halfway down the page I found an interesting post by Bekah. Bekah's post gives a possible explanation as to how the Coroner could of found an injectable drug in Michael Jackson's stomach. WITHOUT MICHAEL DRINKING THEM
Bekah states: I found an interesting article. It's about heroin but I'm wondering if it could be the same for other drugs given intravenously. Who knows...
Thank you Bonnie. I had a vague recollection of reading something to this effect way back in the beginning of this story and was trying to look for this information too.
Chaturi, I JUST PRAY PEOPLE ARE NOT THAT IGNORANT OUT THERE, in that they will buy into all the preposterous ideas that are coming out of this hearing. I TRULY HOPE NOT.
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Bonnie, Yes, no doubt that is true according to the info you posted, and thanks for posting it. That being the case, I'm just wondering then how they could find traces of it in his stomach if he couldn't have swallowed it..
Am I missing something very obvious here? I apologize for my lack of knowledge on this topic.
Chaturi, Sorry to get so graphic. It could have been poured in. Simple as that.
I meant in addition to what may have been given intravenously.
I just think that would be the easiest way to get it into the stomach. And if that was the case than it had to have occurred after Michael was unconscious.
This is just an opinion as I am not in any way an expert.
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Poured in or swallowed.....wouldn't it burn either way?
Ok, so I'm a bit older than most you, if not ALOT older, and even though I don't look it, the brain cells are indeed challenged from time to time. I'm the first to admit it. I'm having a good chuckle here about this, as I type..... a welcome break from all the serious& painful stuff!!
Thanks for the updates Bonnie. How appalling! There must be a medical explanation for this! Mar your article about another intravenous drug being absorbed into the stomach might be pointing us in the right direction.
I can't believe this! I feel so sorry for Michael and his family hearing this new revelation.
WHAT DOES MICHAEL STILL HAVE TO BEAR, HOW MUCH IS HE STILL HUMILIATED???
I ONLY HOPE THAT PEOPLE AND ABOVE ALL THE JUDGE WON´T TAKE THIS FAKE!! HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE??
I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT PEOPLE NOTICE NOW HOW ARTIFICIALLY CREATED THE STORIES AND ALLEGATIONS AROUND MICHAEL HAD BEEN ALL OF HIS LIFE - A N D I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THEY ARE EXPOSING THEMSELVES BY THOSE INCREDIBLE LIES!!
MICHAEL, I ONLY HOPE THAT YOU FEEL OUR LOVE AND US CARRYING YOU THROUGH THIS TRASH AND DISGUST <3 <3 <3 - WHY, I ASK WHY DOES NO ONE STAND UP AND SAYS JUST "S T O P I T !!!" JUST STOP!!!!!!!!"
I HAVE NEVER EVER BELIEVED THAT THEY COULD TOP THEIR OWN LIES FROM THE PAST WEEK.....
OUR HEART GOES OUT TO YOU MICHAEL, YOUR CHILDREN AND FAMILY - MAY THEY KEEP STRONG!!!
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Mar, Thx for your research on this topic! This should serve as a powerful rebuttal for the prosecution. Let's pray the prosecution has done their homework on this and discovered these facts on their own.
I agree Ute, the public is being played as the fool.
I just hope that people educated themselves and do not spread this so called theory as truth. It is the job of the defense to clear Murray. Obviously they will stop at nothing to do this. Luckily they are not very smart about it. This one is obviously FALSE.
After that hard day at court yesterday I was thinking for some time if I should really post this song. With regard to the unpleasant ongoings that hopefully will be turning out to the truth, I thought this song might be a comfortable contribution to cheer up ourselves a bit and raise our energies for the next hearing to come today. I hope you enjoy it despite all of these untruths.
London Destiny Tour 1979
MICHAEL - DITTO! TOGETHER!
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Here you go Mar! I was up early this morning. I like what Mr. Meseareu is saying here. Thanks for pointing it out to us. Jane Note: This video was uploaded on Match 23, 2010.
I THANK YOU CHATURI, UTE, AND ROXY for your interest in the Internet findings.
Next we need to find out whom to send this information to. We need to find someone that will listen. Preferably the prosecution or someone affiliated with the prosecution's team. Bonnie, do you have any addresses we could use toward this goal?
I could not find any studies that were conducted specifically on propofol, up there could be studies previously done that deal with drugs in the same class as Propofol or Diprivan. I am going to check the St Paul, MN library for further information today (in-between my job responsibilities today).
Carmen brought up a good point in another post that I read. Carmen reminded us that the burden of proof is on the prosecution.
(IMO)The prosecution needs to have ample time to contact experts. The experts need to assemble and analyze the information on the connectivity of the circulatory and digestive system in a situation involving an intravenous overdose. Especially if there is no data or studies done that confirms this theory specifically connected to propofol.
In addition, I want to thank you ROXY for adding Mr. Meseareu’s interview. The information concerning the security guard is not what I wanted to hear, but it will prepare us for what is coming next. I am glad Bonnie brought Mr. Meseareu to my attention.
Does anyone know how to get in contact with Mr. Meseareu? We could all send pertinent information to him.
Ute, Thank you for posting this delightful video of the Jacksons with an upbeat, relevant and very 'synchronistic' message on this auspicous day, 1/11/11!!!
Thank you IRINA for your complement and the additional information regarding Mr. Mesereau's website as well as his FB page. I have to work at 1:00 Central time, but plan on doing more research after that. I will add my findings to Mr. Mesereau's website.
I know he is not part of the case, but I will ask him to forward the information. I am hoping to get some information as to who is the prosecution's contact. They should have a contact set up for the general public to leave leads.
Chaturi, as per your post dated Jan 10 @ 6:37:
Chaturi, don't feel bad, I think I am probably older than you. I never heard of a computer when I was little, if that gives you any clue. (smiles) It is good to hear I'm not the only older Michael Jackson fan on this site!
Also thank you Irina for the URL on Propofol. Good information in the "chemicalbook." You are always so helpful.
