I'm back to elaborate a bit on my previous thoughts and to respond to some comments made by others.
Since 2003, I have found in my personal experience on message boards and interacting with people behind computer monitors and keyboards that people who hide behind the seeming anonymity of the Internet to communicate with someone or give possible insider information to someone will not accept full responsibility for what they've said or revealed. The same applies to celebrities and their families. In other words, when the truth becomes too hot too handle or may backfire against the celebrity or celebrity family member, that person who revealed the information will be no where to be found and/or will clam up or deny having said anything. It's not right or fair to burden a civilian, including fans and supporters of a celebrity or public figure, with highly pertinent or sensitive information when that person cannot do anything with it, or if he/she tries to do something with it, his or her reputation may be destroyed, or his or her well being may be placed in danger.
In addition to that civilian's safety and well being possibly being placed in danger, we must also consider the potential impact of psychological trauma that he or she may be subjected to when he or she is mocked, ridiculed, humiliated, belittled, etc., via fellow posters on message boards and on other forms of social media. I have personally experienced this, and it can leave lasting scars.
Many people, myself included, don't respect it when people say one thing publicly and sell that as an image, but do something else or live an entirely different way in real life. This is often the case with public figures, including celebrities. Many people, myself included, don't respect it when someone uses someone else to 'do the deed' or carry out the message in such a way as to protect the person behind the message while exposing the messenger. In my personal experience, people who hide behind others are not likely to stand up for those others and defend them when the time comes, generally speaking. If you begin a relationship with someone based on hiding, manipulation or deceit, that is how the relationship will end.
I don't like seeing Taaj and others stick their necks out for celebrities and their families when I know first hand, from my own personal experience, what the consequences can be. It's one thing to defend Michael Jackson against child molestation charges and accusations, and to want Conrad Murray to pay for his role in Michael's death. It's quite another to openly accuse Jonn Branca, Sony, AEG, etc., of deliberate and planned murder. I know what my own personal beliefs and feelings are, but I do have to consider how, where, when and under what circumstances I express them. Other people are involved, as is their personal safety.
The Jackson family, in my personal opinion, is perfectly capable of creating their own original, unique fan and supporter friendly websites. Some actors have two websites: One for business and one for fans. There is no reason why the Jackson family cannot do this. They are, for the most part, quite familiar with and comfortable with the Internet, modern technology, Twitter, etc, and they also have no trouble utilizing attorneys and publicists, both of whom MUST be present and ACTIVELY INVOLVED in any fan based websites that may involve statements or opinions expressed about John Branca, Sony, AEG, Frank Delio, etc. (I would not expect Katherine and Michael's children to participate in this.)
Some Jackson family members have been quite blunt in their thoughts and feelings, which I respect. LaToya, for instance, is one of them. I must give her credit for being very brave and bold. I think many of Michael's fans and supporters would be quite open to websites made for communication with them, and they would be quite open to reading and hearing the thoughts, opinions and feelings of various Jackson family members. However, those thoughts, opinions and feelings would have to be expressed very carefully and would have to be guided with the help of legal advice and an attorney, as well as a publicist. There is sometimes a very fine line between saying or posting something that is considered 'safe' and something that is considered libelous or slanderous. This is where legal counsel and a publicist would both be imperative. The Jackson family have attorneys and publicists, of course, so the basic tools are already there for this type of open communication.
My concern for Taaj and for others in her situation is that when and if things go downhill, she will not have the legal representation needed to defend herself. What is she going to do when a "Cease and Desist" order is handed to her, or when she's sued for libel or slander? Is the Jackson family going to supply her with an attorney? Will they supply any and all other fans doing what she's doing with legal representation? In other words, is a fan's neck expendable as long as they save their own necks?
I see Taaj, personally speaking, as a pawn, to be quite blunt. And I know this is going to upset and offend some people reading this. I'm sorry about that, but I'm going to continue. I see her as being used to carry out the needs, wishes and agenda of the Jackson family. I see the Jackson family as attempting to tap into, use and manipulate Michael's fans as needed. That's not to say that I don't agree with them about Michael having been murdered. I agree with them in terms of suspecting foul play in Michael's death, and I agree with them in the accusations they've leveled against Branca, Sony, AEG, etc, as well as their questions about the legitimacy of the current will being used. Some family members have made their accusations via books, such as LaToya, and some have made their accusations via law suits, such as Joe. Such family members have already gone on public record with their statements.
Yes, they lost a son and brother. Michael's children, worst of all and most sadly, lost their father. Nothing the Jackson family does is going to bring Michael back. It would be most powerful and most constructive if the ENTIRE FAMILY would unite and make a joint statement in which they ALL AGREE on whom to blame and on which conspiracy theories they subscribe to. That, of course, will not happen. That leaves individual websites in which each family member owns his or her own words and accepts full responsibility for those words.
Michael's fans might be able to focus some of their energy a bit more effectively if they saw Jackson family members taking personal responsibility for information, statements and messages put out there. A divided Jackson family reflects and mirrors a divided Michael Jackson fan base. The two appear to be connected, in my opinion.
The fact that Taaj is the family's unofficial 'official' fan spokesperson, or seems to be behaving as though she is, will alienate many fans from her and from the Jackson family. In other words, those fans who have personal issues with her, and/or who have personal issues with the Jackson family, will pull away and shut Taaj, her messages and the Jackson family out. This is yet another reason Jackson family members need to be honest with Michael's fans about their own personal thoughts, feelings and opinions.
I won't get into the divisions in Michael's fan base that I have witnessed over the past couple of years. I'm just going to say that many fans would respect it far more if the Jackson family members would take responsibility for their own thoughts and feelings, and respect Michael's fan base by not assuming that just because we're Michael Jackson fans and supporters, that we're automatically fans and supporters of the Jackson Family in general, or of each and every single family member. One fan expressed this thought quite vehemently a year or two ago, along with some very harsh words for the family. Many of Michael's fans have felt that some of Michael's brothers and sisters have attempted to exploit his fan base, tap into it, try to make money for themselves from it, in addition to aiding in the exploitation of his children. I am now at a point where I personally agree with this sentiment. That's what I'm beginning to see, and I don't like it.
Regarding Katherine Jackson and what she receives, I recall reading that all her living expenses are paid for by the 'estate.' Her care is paid for, including having a home, a car, a personal driver, household staff, personal assistants, etc. She even gets about $3000.00 a month for clothing. I would have to find the article and post it, but she's getting more than just an allowance for Michael's children. Please forgive me, Bonnie, for disagreeing with that part of your statement. I firmly believe Katherine's own personal financial needs are being met, and I firmly believe that Michael's children's needs for clothing, school, entertainment, etc. are being met.
That leaves Michael's brothers and sisters. I think they're old enough and capable enough to earn a living for themselves and to contribute something of substance to society without having to rely on Michael Jackson's name and fame, and without having to sell his children out to the press, tabloids and paparazzi. In my personal opinion, Michael was more than generous in financially caring for his family during his lifetime, and I personally believe he did indeed take care of his family for most of his life using his own money. If he had intended to continue this pattern of financial support, then I believe he would have indicated this desire by stating so in the official trust document I've read, and by expressing this to his family prior to his death. He had no difficulty in expressing his concern about fearing for his life. He must have had a very good reason for not telling a single family member about his estate and what he was leaving and to whom. Someone must have wisely advised him not to mix family and business.
How do I phrase this without offending anyone, including Michael, who will 'read' this through Bonnie?
I'll put it this way: Branca and company, in MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY, made a major mistake. They should have, regardless of Michael's wishes, included a $10-$20 million dollar 'gift' to each of Michael's brothers and sisters, as well as Joe, and claimed this was what Michael wanted and that this was part of his last will and testament. That would have been a lie, of course, but the public would never have known the difference. I personally wonder, and I've been wondering about this for several days now, how many of Michael's family members would be questioning the validity of the will under THOSE circumstances??? How many of Michael's family members, and which ones, would have said to Branca and company, "This is blood money and a pay off! You can keep it! I don't want any part of it! Michael would never have left me this much money. You took Michael's life, this is a bribe, and if you think I'm not going to fight you tooth and nail for the rest of my life for being a part of it, you're mistaken. Keep your $10 million, or $20 million. I'm going to speak out against you every chance I get, and I know what you are a part of and what you did."
Of course, that would defeat the human greed element behind the 'estate' and Michael's death. Money the 'estate' pays out to the family is money they can't keep for themselves. Then, of course, there's also the issue of all the money Michael owed to his creditors. I just can't help wondering if a large chunk of money would have eliminated some of the statements made by some Jackson family members in books and via TV interviews.
Yes, they lost a son and a brother. IN MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY, they also lost a key meal ticket, sugar daddy and gravy train. He died on June 25, 2009. I suspect that's when the monetary 'gifts' Michael gave to support his family also died. Some of Michael's brothers and sisters betrayed him in life, and while they may have had their excuses for having done so, I think there was jealousy, rivalry and resentment. Money was a part of that resentment. Michael made most of it in the Jackson family. The 'estate' has cut off what I personally believe was a regular monthly paycheck to some family members.
Which family members would be fighting so hard and would utilize Michael's fan base as they have been doing, as well as exploiting Michael's children, if they had been left a large amount of money???
I'm sorry if my honesty offends. However, you at least know what my personal thoughts are, where I'm coming from in my concern for Taaj and others who may not be able to afford an attorney should they need one, and my growing skepticism about some members of Michael's family. I also find it most interesting that a fan of Michael's who is PRO- JACKSON FAMILY and who can be used to carry out their messages and agendas, is able to reach them, and yet, two special people whom I personally know and who are PRO MICHAEL JACKSON and are dedicated to helping Michael and standing up for him - but not necessarily for his family - are shut out and unable to connect with or reach the Jackson family, despite repeated efforts to do so. My personal impression at this point is that the Jackson family will let in to their inner circle those whom they can utilize for their own needs, but if someone is mainly focused on Michael and on seeking justice for him and getting the truth out about him and what happened to him, such persons are shut out.
No, I am not one of the two people I was referring to in the previous paragraph.
John Branca represents two key elements here: Michael Jackson's death and Michael Jackson's last will and testament. I wonder which one the Jackson family is really fighting to get the truth out about. As I said earlier, I wonder which family members would be silent and which ones would continue to speak out if Branca and company had paid them a very large sum.
Those are my thoughts and personal observations at this point. I'll also state that my opinions and feelings are not locked in stone at this point; if I see Jackson family behavior changing (for the better in regards to some things), then my opinions about them will improve. As for now, I'm very disappointed in them.
I hold no ill will towards Katherine, Michael's children, Janet, Rebbie or Randy. Everyone else, I personally have questions and doubts about at this point.
I may be in the dog house for a while for this post, but I needed to flesh out my thoughts, and now I have. Sorry Michael and Bonnie. But I call it the way I see it.
Love, Carmen
Last Edited by on Feb 26, 2012 10:31 PM
I have read your written thought in its entirety and thank you for your honest and frank opinion. Now I can see your reasoning behind your statement above (Feb 24 @ 2:41 AM): Statement: "This is not a good situation or foundation for a fan or supporter to be in while issuing public statements on behalf of an actor, singer, entertainer, or that person's family members."
Also Your statement: "You would caution her [Taaj Malik] to be very careful about making public speeches or issuing statements on behalf of any Jackson family member, as I myself have been in a similar situation years ago involving a certain actor and his mother."
This I understand now Carmen.
Thank you so much Carmen for your time in explaining your thoughts. I tend to trust your judgment, as I know your heart is in the right place and you are in a position to comprehend what is going on in Michael's family better than I.
Do keep an open mind. Carmen has only expressed her point of view about the family here. However one really does not know unless one walks in their shoes what the full scope of the situation with the family is. Since we do not interact with them personally, all is an assumption based on what we know and observe from the snippets we get in the media.
Love, Irina
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2012 10:18 AM
That is very true Irina, one does not know for sure unless you were there, that is why I cannot form an opinion concerning the family motives.
I do believe that Carmen has more information than we do on the subject, as she has an opportunity to hob-nob with people that know Michael's extended family (in some capacity).
I would hate to think Michael's family would be capable of trying to prophet off of Michael's death, but then I was totally shocked when I found out people seriously would kill Michael.
I think Michael's family HAS propheted off of Michael's death. The question is...what were their intentions? If they were trying to keep Michael's memory alive and help Michael's children, then that is what they should be doing in my opinion.
If they are trying to get recognition for themselves (in the limelight) and prophet for themselves, then that is unforgivable! They wouldn't have a heart in my opinion, which is the opposite of Michael's personality. He had the biggest heart I have ever seen.
I am not in the heads of any of the Jacksons, so I do not know. I bet Michael does though.
Edited to add that I don't mean to talk to you Irina about Carmen as if you weren't here Carmen. Sorry. :)
Two nights ago I was prompted to go back and listen to Michael's earliest messages again. And I have not had the urge to listen to them for a long while. But this time I just felt I needed to reconfirm something as the bellow words were popping into my mind and which I feel fit perfectly here.
The following statement from Michael is from the trance channeled session, dated 7/02/09 Part 2 of 2. At 3:29- in the video Michael says: "...And I hope that everyone understands. Everyone feels like they knew me and the fact is very few people knew me for who I really was. It was always the show that had to be put on and the constant glare from lights on me and on my children. Never having time just for myself to just be. Just be a regular, normal person..."
My hope is that the part of the message behind Michael's words "everyone feels like they knew me and the fact is very few people knew me for who I really was" is understood in the context of this thread.
With Love, Irina
Addtl comment: There was also something that Michael said in the earliest messages to the effect of the things that he would do and say that would get repeated over and over again and that he would be held to that. He was bothered by that. I have to go back and find the exact statement.
Last Edited by on Feb 28, 2012 8:30 AM
Popping in here briefly during my morning break to state for the record that I DO NOT PERSONALLY KNOW ANY JACKSON FAMILY MEMBER AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY INTIMATE PERSONAL INTERACTION WITH ANY OF THEM. I have expressed my personal opinions, feelings, and beliefs regarding some things, and I have shared some of my own personal life experiences NOT involving Jackson family members.
I'm sorry, Marlene, if I gave you the impression that I personally know any of Michael's siblings or his parents. I've only seen them during the Conrad Murray hearings and some of the court dates I have attended. That is NOT the equivalent of knowing them personally.
I do have my own doubts and questions about some of them, and I OWN my own thoughts, feelings, opinions, impressions and words. No one else on this board is required to agree with me or disagree with me. We each speak for ourselves.
Sorry about any confusion this may have caused. Having said all that, I stand by my words, my feelings, my impressions and my thoughts as previously stated 100%, because they are mine and mine alone, and I'm entitled to them.
Thank you, Irina, for pointing out that my opinions and thoughts are MINE and do not reflect any form of factual based personal experience on my part with any member of the Jackson family. I just believe what I believe and think what I think and ask what I ask.
Taaj Malik - I don't know what to make of her. Most hated in the community but she is sticking her neck out, which she needs to be very careful.
Fans are bashing her very harshly. Racist and abusive comments are thrown at her. I did get some abusive tweets from Branca supporters just for saying I don't support him. They say it's her doing for not supporting Branca. Umm...no.
Taaj, regardless as to what some may think of her or how they may feel about her, does NOT deserve racist comments. THAT is NOT what Michael Jackson was about and NOT what he stood for. His fans should know better. While it's okay to see things differently from someone else, making racist comments about that person is NOT acceptable.
Edited to Add: I'm not surprised that she's under increasing pressure and is dealing with personal attacks and cyberspace abuse. This is precisely what I was concerned about. Over time, this may have an impact on her emotionally and psychologically. I feel for her, even if I don't agree with some of her positions or points of view. This is not funny. Such attacks on a person are NOT harmless.
Last Edited by on Feb 29, 2012 5:08 PM
Sorry if I was not clear. I am respectfully responding to this comment Carmen.
You wrote:
I'm sorry, Marlene, if I gave you the impression that I personally know any of Michael's siblings or his parents. I've only seen them during the Conrad Murray hearings and some of the court dates I have attended. That is NOT the equivalent of knowing them personally.
I know you do not know any of Michael's siblings or his parents. I said above in my post: “I do believe that Carmen has more information than we do on the subject, as she has an opportunity to HOB-NOB WITH PEOPLE THAT KNOW Michael's extended family (in some capacity).” Not that you know any Jackson’s personally.
I was referring to the personal information you collected in the trials you covered, and fans of the Jacksons that know about the case.
In addition, you stated above in your post:“Two special people whom I personally know and who are PRO MICHAEL JACKSON and are dedicated to helping Michael and standing up for him.”
Also the fact that you worked in a capacity that served Michael or his associates in wardrobe I think you said. You must know people that know people that knew Michael and/or his family.
I say these comments with love in my heart for you. If I am wrong please let me know. Never the less, the point is that I feel you are more informed on the subject than I.
Thank you for offering clarification. Yes, I have come into contact with a few people since Michael's death who knew Michael or worked with him, or who had contact with his family. Yes, some of my personal beliefs and impressions have been influenced by certain people, but my beliefs and impressions are also the result of intense observation of people and events pertaining to Michael and his family since June 2009. Yes, some of my beliefs are also influenced by working in the industry and knowing how some things work.
Yes, if you spend time mingling with people and talking to them and listening to them, or you work in the industry, it can and does influence your perceptions about some things. This applies to Michael and his family, just as it applies to certain actors whose careers I've followed in the past.
When I post, I just have to be very clear about owning my opinions and views and only stating as fact what I know to be fact, and stating as opinion what is my opinion.
I am especially critical of the exposure of Michael's children to the press, the media, the public and Michael's fans. I cannot condone it when in my heart and in my mind, what has been happening is NOT what Michael would have wanted. It's makes me very angry to see certain things happening when I KNOW how those things happen and what it takes to MAKE THEM HAPPEN. I cannot, in good conscience, blame everything I'm seeing on the 'estate,' because I know that isn't accurate. I am very critical of the 'estate,' but I am also very critical of certain Jackson family members. In my personal opinion, if those family members really respected Michael, then they would respect his wishes regarding his children, and it's AMAZING to me that so many of Michael's fans seem more in tune with his wishes for his children than some of his own family members! How can this be?
Paparazzi here in Los Angeles, for the record, either hang out in certain celebrity filled and trendy restaurants and clubs, such as The Ivy, Nobu, Koi, Joans on 3rd and Il Sole, or the celebrity must make certain that the paparazzi are tipped off to his or her whereabouts, usually by the celebrity's publicist, but some celebrities work with paparazzi personally. Also, sometimes friends and family of the celebrity can tip off a paparazzi photographer. This enables the paparazzi to get the money making shots, the celebrity (or celebrities) to get their publicity (usually while whining about how they're constantly hounded by the 'paps' and never given a moment's peace, which is total garbage), and the magazines and tabloids are happy because they have actors, movie stars and celebrities to fill their pages. In other words, everyone wins!
For the record, actresses frequently get their clothing for FREE from the fashion houses, especially for the Academy Awards, in exchange for wearing the garments provided in paparazzi shots (and on red carpets), which of course end up in magazines such as "Us Weekly," "In Style," "In Touch," and on websites such as Just Jared. The actors and actresses work with the paparazzi to get photographed, get their publicity, 'advertise' the free clothes they get (which is how certain magazines and websites that feature such shots ALWAYS know the garment labels the celebrity is wearing, from her blouse to her skirt to her earrings to her shoes!), and the celebrity's publicists is involved in all of this as well. This means that someone must tell the 'paps' where and when to find the celebrity in question. And if need be, someone must tell the magazine(s) what the labels are in the actress's or female celebrity's garments. Yes, this really DOES go on!!!
Now, how do YOU suppose paparazzi know EXACTLY when and where Michael's children are going to attend acting classes and karate classes, when Paris is going to go shopping with a female friend and in which mall, where and when the three children will be out and about, and HOW ON EARTH ARE PAPARAZZI SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE AND WHEN TO FIND MICHAEL'S CHILDREN AT A MAJOR AMUSEMENT PARK??? Paparazzi DO NOT hang out randomly at amusement parks, to the best of my knowledge, just waiting and wandering around to find a celebrity amid THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE!!!! That doesn't happen. WHEN YOU SEE THAT, IT'S ARRANGED!!! Those photographers are sharp, aggressive, and they build up industry contacts, or other contacts, to know where and when to find a celebrity. The 'estate' is NOT going to be aware of Michael's children's whereabouts and daily plans and activities, nor are they going to be aware of Michael's siblings and parent's daily whereabouts and plans - unless someone on Katherine's staff is spying on them. More likely, family members and friends of the family are providing the tips and information for the 'paps' as well as openly discussing things, such as Michael Jackson Jr's girlfriend, with magazines such as "People." This is BLATANT SELLING OUT AND SELLING OF MICHAEL'S CHILDREN. The people doing this get PAID to do it. THERE IS MONEY INVOLVED. I tend to think certain Jackson family members want and need the money and the press a lot more than John Branca and Company. The 'estate' is financially set and making more money than you and I could ever dream of. They don't need publicity or 'fame.' Not so for Michael's parents, brothers and sisters, and nieces and nephews.
When you see photos of Michael's children, ask yourself how those shots were taken and by whom. Ask yourself how that photographer managed to know where and when Michael's children were going to be in a certain place at a certain time. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHICH JACKSON FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE FEATURED IN THOSE SHOTS WITH MICHAEL'S CHILDREN, AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHICH JACKSON FAMILY MEMBERS ARE QUOTED IN THE PRESS AND TABLOIDS ABOUT MICHAEL'S CHILDREN. Some Jackson family members talk a lot more than others about Michael's children.
WHEN YOU DO A MICHAEL JACKSON GOOGLE SEARCH, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE NAMES OF FAMILY MEMBERS THAT COME UP. THAT CAN BE AN INDICATION THAT THEY ARE TYING THEIR NAMES AND PRESS INTO MICHAEL'S TO GET MORE PUBLICITY USING MICHAEL JACKSON'S NAME. The people who write articles about the Jackson family, including Michael's children, tend to put "Michael Jackson" as one of their 'tags,' which is what causes their names to appear when people type in "Michael Jackson" into Google. When that happens, you are essentially being FORCED to see, observe, be exposed to and possibly read articles and information that have little or NOTHING to do with Michael but are about his children, his parents or his brothers and sisters. YOU'LL NOTICE THIS 100% OF THE TIME WITH MICHAEL'S CHILDREN. That is not going to change until his children make enough of a name for themselves that it's no longer necessary to tie his name to theirs.
I could go on and on, but I won't. It's enough for me to say that I've been observing some things for far too long to naively blame the 'estate' for everything I've seen. I've been in the industry for too long and have observed actors and how they work with publicists and media outlets. BOTH THE 'ESTATE' AND THE FAMILY ARE TO BLAME for some things that have been happening.
BOTH THE 'ESTATE' AND THE JACKSON FAMILY ARE AT WAR, FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING, AND MICHAEL'S FANS ARE BEING USED BY BOTH FOR BATTLE. As long as people understand this and can see what is happening here, they might be able to take an objective step back and just THINK for a minute. Both the 'estate' and the Jackson Family have agendas, and they both want and need Michael's fan base for support. It just stands to reason that things are going to get very ugly, and I don't personally believe that either side is 100% honorable.
Here I go again with another looooong essay. Thank you for reading, Mar, and I hope my thoughts and feelings, and where I'm coming from, are clear. I'm not interested in telling others what to think, or in trying to persuade them to agree with me. I'm just expressing myself openly and honestly. That's all.
Love, Carmen
Last Edited by on Feb 29, 2012 8:10 PM
The family have always known Patti. From the onset Joe, La Toya and Jermaine, and on some occassions Mrs. Jackson, along with Brian Oxman and Leonard Rowe, have made numerous public statements concerning this. It is my understanding that this is happening now because they were awaiting the AEG trial and building their case against the Estate.
Love, Irina
Last Edited by on Jul 18, 2012 8:20 AM
Michael has been adamant that his mother and children were under a control grid. He has been extremely worried about them. He was concerned when there was drama reported at Havenhurst and alarmed when they were moved out of the family home.
Joe Jackson and Brian Oxman tried from the very beginning to contest the fake will. Long story, short, the judge said that "Joe did not have a dog in the fight" so he could not contest it. By this the judge meant that Joe is not listed in the fake will so Joe cannot contest the fake will.
Of course the estate attorneys in their recent rebuttal letter tell the public the will was upheld. Sorry that is not what happened.
Katherine could have contested the fake will, but this was also her source of income to take care of Michael's children. It would be very easy for them to discredit her and she could lose custody of the children. She was indeed trapped in the middle, taken away from her family home and the other family members who lived there.
She tried to make other deals with assorted partners to have other sources of income. The estate went after them all. In my opinion this was not about greed it was about breaking free from the control.
Katherine and the children also tried to help out the Heal the World Foundation. They knew it had been approved by Michael but the Estate Attorneys smeared them in the press and called them frauds.
I personally have witnessed on many occasions where I felt the family was trying to break free. Of course it was spun in the media as greed and anything else they could throw to discredit the family. They are not perfect, and they do not always agree, but they are under very unusual circumstances that would be very difficult for any of us to relate to.
This letter matches exactly what Michael told me. This is why I believe it is real and their concerns for Katherine and the children are valid.
I thought it might be helpful to get the definition of a mini-stroke. It is not permanent. So it can be true that Katherine had a mini-stroke and it can also be true that she is fine now.
What Are the Symptoms of a Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA, Mini-Stroke)?
The symptoms of stroke and TIA are the same and depend upon the particular region of the brain that is affected. But while a stroke is permanent, a TIA by definition resolves its own.
Neurologic deficits appear suddenly and can affect the ability to move or feel on one side of the body.
Speech and vision can be affected.
The affected person may experience confusion, difficulty saying words, or the inability to follow commands. Because the brain is a large organ, the whole side of an individual's body doesn't need to be affected. Symptoms may be limited to an arm or leg or part of the face. The deficits are also grouped based on the anatomy of the brain. As an example, loss of speech (aphasia) is associated with weakness or numbness on the right side of the body, since speech is controlled by the left of the brain. These symptoms are associated with problems in the anterior circulation from the carotid arteries.
IMHO, Bonnie
Last Edited by on Jul 18, 2012 5:58 PM
Matriarch Katherine Jackson’s Health Questioned After Brutal Letter Is Sent to Michael Jackson’s Estate
Inside Hollywood
Mystery surrounds the health and whereabouts of Jackson family matriarch Katherine in the wake of the scathing letter her daughter,Janet Jackson, and four of the singer’s siblings sent to the men who control Michael Jackson’s estate.
In a cryptic Tweet published a short time ago, Paris Jackson, the 14-year-old daughter of late pop star Michael Jackson, wrote: “I am going to clarify right now that what has been said about my grandmother is a rumor and nothing has happened, she is completely fine.”
She added: “I will defend my beloved family member with all I have, even if it means from other family members.”
Paris followed up with a direct message to her uncle, Randy, that was later deleted.
“@randyjackson8 hello dear FAMILY member i don’t appreciate you telling everyone things that aren’t true thank you very much,” she said.
“Maybe he should have respect for his mother,” she added in another message that was deleted, after a follower said Paris should have respect for Randy.
It was not directly aware what Paris was referring to in her tweet, though it came after Celebuzz exclusively reported how Janet, Jermaine, Tito, Randy and Rebbie Jackson threatened legal action against Michael Jackson Estate executor John Branca, an entertainment lawyer, and John McClain, a music executive, who is co-executor.
The Jackson brothers and sisters accused executors of abusing their 82-year-old mother through lies and manipulations.
“Your actions are affecting her health, and on top of that, we’ve just found out she recently had a mini-stroke. Please understand, she’s not equipped to handle the stress load you are putting on her,” her children said.
One source close to the family speculated Paris’ bizarre message on the social network was in response to reports that Katherine recently had a mini-stroke.
“She did not, indeed she passed a medical recently associated with the establishment of her own last will and testament,” the source said.
Katherine’s lawyer, Perry Sanders, also spoke to CNN and disputed that she was in poor health.
“Mrs. Jackson is extremely lucid and does a great job caring for Michael’s children,” Sanders said Wednesday.
Another insider, who is close to Katherine, told Celebuzz they believed the famous mother of the Jackson clan had been staying with some of her children in recent days, before the letter was sent to the executors.
“She was not at the home in Calabasas when I visited a few days ago,” the source said.
“Janet Jackson and her brothers and sisters were supposedly worried about Katherine’s safety. It’s weird.”
In the letter, Jackson’s siblings claim his July 7, 2002 will was “Fake. Flawed and Fraudulent.”
In response, estate spokesman Jim Bates told Celebuzz:
“We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael’s family whom he chose to leave out of his will. We are especially disheartened that they come at a time when remarkable progress has been made to secure the financial future of his children by turning around the Estate’s finances as well as during a time when so many of Michael’s fans, old and new, are enjoying his artistry through exciting new projects.”
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Yes, I was shown a visual that there was another will. Mostly likely been destroyed by now.
From a business point of view with all the changes that occurred after 2005 it would make sense to update the will. Raymone Bain did state publicly that she had asked Michael repeated about his will and he assured her that it was taken care of.
6h ago Paris Jackso? ?@ParisJackson yes , my grandmother is missing . i haven't spoken with her in a week i want her home now .
5h ago Paris Jackso? ?@ParisJackson if anybody sees my grandmother , please call the authorities or this number— (818)-876-0186 it's the security number .. thank you so much
5h ago Paris Jackso? ?@ParisJackson the same doctor that testified on behalf of dr murray saying my father was a drug addict (a lie) is caring for my grandmother... just saying
I HOPE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CLEARS UP QUICKLY...OR THAT MEMBER'S OF HER FAMILY BROUGHT HER TO A SAFE AND SECRET PLACE WHERE THEY CAN NOT PRESSURE HER - LIKE SHOULD HAVE DONE WITH MICHAEL BACK THEN. ---------- "...be alive, be free, feel consciousness, subsciousness, being GOD..." MJ
I am very concerned about this. The "facts" do not add up. Michael has always expressed deep concern for Katherine and his children's safety. He refers to it as a "control grid." This same feeling is expressed in the verified letter sent to the estate attorneys. The family does not express any issue with Katherine and Michael's children being the beneficiaries, there concern is the fake will and the absolute control the estate attorneys have over Katherine and the children.
If Katherine is with family members they should have taken Michael's children for their safety as well. This just does not add up. I am still waiting for more reliable information.
SAME HERE, BONNIE AND MLOVESYOU. I am very concerned too. Just back in last winter Michael mentioned this in another message too. He was very concerned about his mother ´s state of health , how long she would be able to bear all of that has been going on and the pressure put on her. He was also very concerned of what would happen to his children if his mother was not able any longer to care for them as the fake estate attorneys have the control over them. Just recently he said that there was too much pressure from AEG on his mother... Bonnie, I hope it is okay that I posted that. I hope everything will clarify soon and all are well.
From Jermaine:Let me put to bed today's nonsense: as I made clear some days ago, Mother is safe and well in Arizona with her daughter and our sister, Rebbie, resting up on doctor's advice, so it is beyond me how she can be reported "missing"
This incredulous claim was made for reasons best known to the adult/s who filed it but it seems no accident that it comes after we, the sons and daughters, put in place care-taking for our own mother, taking her to Arizona in line with doctor's advice following a check-up.
Furthermore, it dismays me that such an alarmist "missing person" report has caused unnecessary anxiety among Michael's children who will understandably react to what they misunderstand, hear or are told.
No-one is being "blocked" from speaking with Mother. She is merely an 82-year-old woman following doctor's orders to rest-up and de-stress, away from phones and computers. Everyone has been well aware of this within the family, but I would like to reiterate my reassurance to the outside world that Mother is fine. In the meantime, thank you for all your thoughts and concerns.
Katherine Jackson has spoken to police, and she is not in danger ... TMZ has learned.
Law enforcement sources tell TMZ police were able to make contact with Katherine today ... and she informed them "she is fine and with a family member."
Another source tells us she is Arizona.
The LA County Sheriff's Department has been investigating Katherine's whereabouts since she was reported missing late Saturday night.
We're told the Sheriff's Dept. is still speaking to Jackson family members to find out exactly why Katherine's nephew filed the missing person report in the first place.
Thank you, Bonnie, for the updates. However something does still not smell good...... Why is Katherine Jackson in touch with the police dep.? Is this just another way by Branca & co to keep her controlled now that she is "found" ?? Shared your link to this thread on my FB. Please all, share too. Bonnie has very much good and reliable information about Michael on her site which is very important to share where ever we can do it. And PLEASE, KEEP PRAYING FOR MICHAEL´S CHILDREN´S AND THE FAMILY´S SAFETY. Thx
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From the sounds of Jermaine's Twitter, it seems as though Michael's kids are not fully in the loop of what is going on. Paris is obviously very vocal. From the sounds of her Tweets she is very worried and appears to have not been told what is happening with her grandmother. Personally I feel the kids should have gone with their grandmother to their aunt's home. Then none of this Paris on Twitter/ Missing person report nonsense would be happening. Again this is just my opinion. I am not privy to what the logistics may have been here is making the decision to temporarily separate the kids from Katherine. This should have been better thought out.
The tabloid media is having a field day. Don't believe everything you hear. This was a very confusing weekend and what appears to be a well planned distraction from the contents of the letter asking the estate attorneys to resign.
I would suggest to those who care about Michael that you not engage in bashing but seek out the truth for yourself.
It seems to me that truths which have remained hidden for too long, in many categories, are being unveiled , at a much more rapid pace. It seems to be a feature of these more intensified energies on our planet currently being felt by many. IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! It's daunting trying to keep up with everything that's happening!
Thanks to all for your ongoing and informative posts, as always.
X17 EXCLUSIVE - Katherine Jackson Told Family She Was Leaving Town, Despite Reports Claiming She Disappeared
When Katherine Jackson left for Arizona, she DID let the children know she was leaving town, a Jackson family source confirms to X17.
Various online reports claim the Jackson matriarch left her home in Calabasas without notifying Paris, Prince and Blanket of her plans.
A source from within the family tells X17online exclusively, “This is simply untrue. In fact, Prince helped her [Katherine] carry her bags to the car before she left on her trip.”
As for the Tweets from Paris Jackson’s Twitter account claiming that Katherine was missing, family members suspect Katherine’s nephew, Trent, was behind those messages.
We’re told Katherine went to Arizona to spend time with her daughter Rebbie, and to get away from Trent, who the Jacksons say is “the very person and persons we are trying to protect our mother from.” Currently, we're told Trent is prohibiting family members from speaking with Michael's three children.
Aside from being investigated for filing a bogus missing persons report, X17online exclusively reported that Trent is also named in a pending elder abuse investigation being conducted by the Sheriff’s Department.
Although Steve Whitmore of the LA County Sheriff’s Department declined to comment, the Jackson family confirms that the investigation, which also names current Jackson estate executors John Branca and John McClain, is underway.
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This is a tabloid report so caution needs to be taken. If true, I think it best that the children go to a safe place with their family. I hope this is what is occurring here.
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Los Angeles police were called to the Calabasas, Calif., mansion of Jackson family matriarch Katherine earlier Monday to stop Michael Jackson’s three children from being removed from the house, Celebuzz has exclusively learned.
It’s understood at least three siblings of the late pop star Michael Jackson — Janet, Jermaine, Randy — arrived at the mansion 82-year-old Katherine shares with the late pop star’s children, Prince Michael, 15, Paris, 14, and ten-year-old Prince Michael 2.
“Janet, Jermaine and Randy turned up with what appeared to be a television crew in tow,” a source at the home told Celebuzz.
It’s understood Katherine’s personal security prevented the trio of uncle and aunts from taking the children and immediately called police. It is not known if police were involved in preventing Janet, Jermaine and Randy.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department confirmed the development when contacted by Celebuzz.
“We were called out to her home at 1.10pm,” the Watch Commander at the Malibu/Lost Hills Sheriff’s Station confirmed to Celebuzz.
“Police are currently still trying to determine what happened at the home, so at this point, we do not have any further information.”
As Celebuzz previously reported, the legal guardian for the three Jackson children was reported missing to police late on Saturday — as a family feud escalated over his multi-billion dollar will.
A shaken Paris appealed on Twitter: “My grandmother is missing. I haven’t spoken with her in a week. I want her home now. If anybody sees my grandmother, please call the authorities.”
A photo emerged Monday of Katherine at a resort in Arizona playing cards.
“She is safe and with family members,” L.A. Sheriff’s Deputy Don Walker read from a statement Monday morning, L.A. Now reported.
But the circumstances of her departure from Los Angeles remain mysterious.
“Last weekend Katherine Jackson was getting ready to leave for a much anticipated road trip in the RV her son Michael bought for her to watch her sons perform,” Katherine’s attorney Sandra Ribera told Celebuzz.
“Prior to her departure, a doctor was brought to her home and represented that he had been sent from the office of her longtime physician. Based on this representation, Mrs. Jackson agreed to meet with the doctor who subsequently ordered her to fly rather than drive to her sons concerts.
“Mrs. Jackson followed what she believed to be her doctor’s instructions. Katherine Jackson’s longtime physician recently confirmed that his office did not send a doctor to Mrs. Jackson’s home last weekend before she left on her trip,” Ribera added.
“It has further been discovered that the doctor that Katherine Jackson last saw has been publicly reprimanded by the California Medical Board for fraudulent activities and has ties to Dr. Conrad Murray.”
The “disappearance” comes after five of Jackson’s brothers and sisters — Rebbie, Janet, Jermaine, Tito and Randy — wrote to executors of the singer’s estate, claiming the signature of his will is “fake, flawed and fraudulent.”
They called for them to step down in the letter leaked to Celebuzz, as we exclusively reported.
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X17 EXCLUSIVE - Paris Jackson Tells Family Members That Her Tweets Are Being Manipulated By Her Cousin Trent And Security
Posted on Mon Jul 23, 2012 07:00 PM PDT
Paris, Prince and Blanket are prohibited from seeing their aunts and uncles at Katherine Jackson's Calabasas home ... all because of Katherine's nephew, Trent, according to a Jackson family source. Janet, Jermaine and Rebbie's son Austin all showed up at Katherine's estate to speak with Michael's three children to tell them "they can go see their grandmother anytime." However, Trent Jackson, using "military-style security tactics," would not allow them to visit, according to a source. Trent is also the same family member who's part of an ongoing investigation involving elder abuse. A Jackson family source tells X17online exclusively: "Trent has instructed security to not allow family into the home. The kids were told they had every right to come visit their grandma in Arizona, but they flat out said 'we don't want to.' Now Trent is telling the cooks and the staff to not show up to work so that it looks like the children aren't being cared for. He knows he's been caught and now he's trying to use the children to cover it up." The family source adds, "Paris has confided in her cousins that Trent and a security member have been "putting her up to Tweeting out messages against the family." As for why the kids declined an offer to visit their grandmother, our source adds, "Paris is trying to get out of going to summer school and without her grandmother there, she's succeeding. She's extremely manipulative and just wants to stay home and have fun. And at only 15, Prince is trying to get his girlfriend to come stay at the house. With Trent overseeing the children, it's complete chaos and they have no boundaries."
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I FEEL SO SICK READING THIS!!! I AM SCARED - VERY MUCH SO... :-(
FROM THE ESTATE OF MICHAEL JACKSON
We thank the fans for their keen interest in the matters that have been reported on recently regarding the Estate and Mrs. Jackson.
We will not comment any further on the letter we received from certain of the Jackson siblings. We think our letter in response speaks for itself.
We are acutely concerned about the welfare of Mrs. Jackson, and most particularly with Michael's minor children. We are concerned that we do what we can to protect them from undue influences, bullying, greed, and other unfortunate circumstances. While we do not have standing to directly intervene, we have monitored the situation and will continue to do so. We believe measures are being put in place that will help protect them from what they are having to deal with.
We take these matters very seriously and will continue to report on them as appropriate.
Sincerely,
John Branca John McClain Co-Executors The Estate of Michael Jackson ---------- "...be alive, be free, feel consciousness, subsciousness, being GOD..." MJ
I have the feeling only very few realize that - unfortunately. I frequently look what other fans write regarding this matter and from what I witnessed so far I would say that well over 90% are against the family and support the estate... It is so sad and it makes me sooo angry! ---------- "...be alive, be free, feel consciousness, subsciousness, being GOD..." MJ
I don't believe most people know anything about the estate, one way or another, unless they've been following this for awhile. As of today, TV news reporters are still implying that the siblings are only stirring things up as "they must just want a piece of the pie". It is very sad that they're attempt to seek justice & expose the truth, has turned on them in such disgusting ways.
There is an emergency guardianship hearing going on right now.
TJ Jackson -- Tito's son -- is about to enter the probate court in downtown L.A., along with an army of lawyers, trying to get temporary guardianship of Michael Jackson's 3 kids.
We will be live blogging the proceedings, which should begin any minute.
Katherine's lawyer, Perry Sanders, tells TMZ, "This is a very tense time when of course we don't feel Mrs. Jackson should be removed as guardian and we would vigorously oppose that on anything other than an extremely short-term basis, until she returns home."
10:13 AM The hearing is underway. Before getting to TJ's petition, Judge Mitch Beckloff is handling several other MJ Estate matters.
10:29 AM The Judge will not hear TJ's petition, BECAUSE no one notified Diana Ross, who is Katherine's successor to guardianship under Michael's will.
10:31 AM TJ's lawyer, Charles Schultz, just told the court, Katherine is unavailable and all they want is a temporary guardianship so he seems to be saying Ross is an unnecessary party. Schultz also said there was an "incident" at the Calabasas house last night that escalated. He added TJ is unsure Katherine is acting voluntarily
10:33 AM Katherine's lawyer, Sandra Ribera, just said she (Sandra) has been to the house several times recently and she believes Katherine has been held against her will.
10:34 AM The judge just ordered that MJ's 3 kids NOT be removed from California without a court order. The judge added that TJ should file a petition for PERMANENT GUARDIANSHIP. The judge said in addition to giving Diana Ross notice, they must also give notice to Debbie Rowe.
10:34 AM JUDGE BECKLOFF JUST MADE TJ THE TEMPORARY GUARDIAN AND SUSPENDED KATHERINE'S GUARDIANSHIP!
Before Bekloff appointed TJ ... TJ's lawyer said TJ had a strange phone call with Katherine yesterday and TJ said, "I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.
Beckloff said this was not a power play by TJ and ordered the Michael Jackson Estate to give TJ the funds necessary to take care of security and anything else that's needed for the children.
Before Beckloff appointed TJ, the lawyer for MJ's kids said the kids all support TJ getting temporary guardianship.
The lawyer for the MJ Estate just said the executors are very concerned for the kids and Katherine.
The judge said Katherine was not suspended for wrongdoing, but that she was prevented from doing her guardianship duties by "intentional act from third parties."
11:06 AM TJ's lawyer just said TJ will move get PERMANENT GUARDIANSHIP of the kids. It will be filed in the next 48 hours.
Note from Bonnie Vent: Katherine's attorney Mr. Sanders did speak to the press outside the courthouse. He was informed by Randy Jackson that Katherine is on a plane and heading back to LA. Once she arrives her attorney plans to file paperwork to reinstate Katherine. Mr. Sanders did go to the spa in Arizona yesterday but he was not able to speak with her. He did speak with family members and staff at the spa.
Mr. Sanders said that he thought this was all a big misunderstanding that was spun out of control.
Joe Jackson has been living at the famous Jackson compound in Encino recently ... but no one knows how he got in ... and it appears he's a garden variety squatter.
As we previously reported, Joe was seen entering the home today ... and yesterday, it appeared the home got a visit from some medical personnel ... presumably to perform some tests on Joe.
The house is owned by the Michael Jackson Estate. Katherine Jackson has no legal claim to the property.
Sources tell TMZ ... the Estate is paying $30,000 per month for the Calabasas home where Katherine and Michael's kids have been living.
The only way Joe could be living in the Encino house legally is if he got permission from the Estate ... and sources connected with the Jackson family tell TMZ ... no such permission was ever given.
Sources tell us ... it ain't the Ritz because the house is currently undergoing extensive renovation.
Bottom line ... Joe Jackson + lots of sawdust = not a pretty picture.
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Note: This is the family home given to the Jackson family by Barry Gordy (1969?). Please notice that owned by the estate is not the same as owned by Katherine Jackson and Michael's children. The estate attorneys control all assets, even the family home.
This is also why reports that Katherine fired the security staff and they refused to leave because they work for the estate attorneys are TRUE. Katherine has no control over the staff and who surrounds her and Michael's children.
Thank you , Bonnie for all the updates. I do agree with all that was posted above and I wish Michael, his children and the family that they will finally get rid of those estate mobsters and that the chaos, mess, confusion, distraction and hatred even among the fans and supporters as well as throughout the world , all that they have been causing will stop for once and for all when they will be removed!! I wish all the friends and people Michael had given a list with names and / or information who is to be investigated should "something happen to him" - I wish that all of them will come forth, stick together and bring to public all the evidence!!
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Katherine read a statement. The transcript is included in the link above. The videos below have been mirrored to my YouTube channel for safe keeping. Please share them!
I hope people notice the double speak in the TMZ piece.
They say Katherine never had control of the money for the kids (TRUE), so why would family members try to grab control for money (FALSE). The family knows all too well that the estate attorneys control everything and Katherine is given an allowance.
I hate to say this but I realize that the estate will hold on tooth and nail. They are apt to try and pulverize the Jackson family in order to take attention off the issues. This is all extremely difficult to watch from our vantage point.
What is being done on the inside to the children is making sure they cannot trust anyone in the family who is seeking justice. They are dividing the family by turning them on each other. What better way to deflect attention off themselves.
THE ESTATE MOTTO IS DIVIDE, CONQUER, CONTROL
THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO CLEARLY GRASP IN THIS SITUATION
And I hope and pray that the Jackson family will all come together and over come this. They MUST do this. I felt awful hearing Randy speak the other night to Al Sharpton. He sounded winded and close to tears. At least to me. He is leading this movement to oust the estate. And he has to deal with inside family squabbles, and lack of support, and in some cases FLAT OUT BETRAYAL, in addition to that. I would not wish that kind of pressure on anyone.
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Edited to add: However personally I was THRILLED that he got his chance to state his case on TV and that AL SHARPTON VALIDATED THAT MICHAEL WAS ON THE OPPOSITE COAST IN NYC WHEN THE ALLEGED "WILL" WAS SIGNED IN LA!
I am aware that Randy is working very hard at seeking justice here. It must have been quiet a weight off his shoulders to deliver this information to the general public.
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