Dawn, I was reading the same thing this afternoon on Wikepedia about the Children of God or The International Family. Boy! it is certainly ringing failiar to me as I read through all of it. Just like yourself, I do not believe that CB is sets out to do certain thing intentionally but rather she is a product of her belief system which is reflected in her "channeling" of Michael and the way the interaction on her blog is set out. Even this private thing now is reminiscing of cult behavior, they are already the International Family with a strong LOVE motivation which is what kept the fans going back because they needed each other. The Children of God who is now the International Family are also motivated by LOVE. I really grieved when I stopped participating with the blog, I missed my friends there and we did call ourselves family, I was a big one to believe in the spiritual family concept and it was not easy to leave, tell you there is some cult stuff going on, they just don't know it yet. There is a member who feels the unhealthy aspect of it and she kept writing "this is my last blog" but she can never stay away, on that day when she say good-bye, she would end up blogging five to eight times sometimes even ten times.
I know the members did support CB to go private but...God knows what is going to happen that now there is no outsider to interfere with this very tight group and it is all being done in the name of Michael. Heaven helps them or rather Michael please help your fans. ---------- With L.O.V.E
hello everybody! (this blog is really hard to find i have to say - i couldn't find a link on your website, bonnie ...)
i'm new here and i want to say something: i've been visiting cherokee billie's blog for a while and also dee's. i've also been following bonnie's channelings, julianna's and others as well ... i want to ask everybody: "what's the problem here???" the battle between psychics or what??? couldn't it be that michael is possibly contacting more than just one medium? to me the messages are not SO different from each other - some are focussing on different things than others but ALL of them are about love and spiritual growth. so - even if none of the messages were from michael (we will never know that!!! and bonnie also doesn't have any proof!) - what's the difference? as long as we learn from them and grow? anyway it would be good for all of us to NOT FOLLOW ANYBODY like a guru! take responsibility and find your own genuine truth and whatever helps on this way is great!
some of the comments at billie's blog led me to my own contacts with michael. whether billie is really channeling him or not doesn't make a difference to these first very own and genuine spiritual experiences ...
i don't understand why you guys waste so much time on accusing and bothering. cherokee billie doesn't harm anybody - she asked for a fee for an audio download with all the messages THAT SHE HAD BEEN POSTING FOR FREE ALL THE TIME and she KEPPT OFFERING THEM FOR FREE! she didn't take them down after she offered the audiorecordings of her channelings. and there is definately nothing like a cult thing going on there. she just sometimes tries to remind people that it's important to continue to live and grow and not to hold back on michael (or whoever) and keeping themselves from moving on.
this is what we all should do - move on, live and grow! and SAVE THE PLANET!!!! 2012 is coming - please stop fighting! let's change the world together!
This issue was started by a former follower of Cherokee Billie. She felt asking Michael Jackson fans for donations to a ministry with a channeled message supposedly from Michael endorsing her was unethical. I agree. She asked for my help in warning people and I put her original message up on this message board. She felt that she was harmed and wanted to make sure that no one else was. You will not see this information on Cherokee Billie's blog any longer because she deleted the posting and claimed she was receiving hate mail. I have never sent anything to her. People have their own opinions and sent mail to her on their own. There are only a small handful of people posting here, so my feeling is that most of the so called hate mail did not come from the people who also post messages here but from those that read her blog and were voicing their opinion of the "offer" being made. She chooses to blame others instead of being accountable for her own actions.
After that came the downloads and the final straw was telling Michael Jackson's fans that they needed to buy readings and she would connect them with Michael Jackson. Of course you will not see this on her site either because she deleted it. She has now gone private which is completely fine with me. People will no longer confuse my work with hers and I will not have to address her business practices since she is now keeping them private.
I personally have been contacted by several people who felt they were harmed by Cherokee Billie. There is one posted in this thread by someone who took offense and the person it was directed to has also commented.
I have since had to endure a well timed high profile attack where false claims about me and my work are made. They are laughable. I did not run and hide as I stand by the integrity of my work. I am sure that people will check out the claims made and find them to be without merit. It is a big waste of time and energy. Now that Cherokee Billie has gone private I hope to no longer receive complaints about her that she will not address.
There is no battle here and never was. People have posted their own comments on this message board. They are all intelligent adults with their own opinions. I did put out a warning message about her that you will find at the top of this thread. I stand behind my words. It is my hope that no further damage will be done to Michael Jackson's fans and his family, since she only allowed people that she already knew into her private group.
I forgot to address your concern about the link to the message board. You will find it on the left hand navigation bar under Paranormal Message Boards. There are 3 Message Boards on the site. Paranormal Message Board, Psychic Message Board and Whaley House Message Board. Perhaps the confusion is that these are message boards not blogs.
I hope this helps! Bonnie
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TS, CB did not just ask for a fee for her video transcript of her channeling, she was and I believe still "channel" Michael for the fans privately for a fee. I believe the reason she got so much opposition is because of the perception that she is manipulating the fans. She would post things and when questioned she takes those posts down like the one she had about asking the fans for donations to the Dominican Republic. Have you seen the other psychics mentioned here? It is only CB and that is because she is being perceived as manipulating the fans. You would not see it because she kept deleting posts whenever something is questioned. Anyway this is ending because she has gone private, she can do whatever she wants with a group of willing people. It was about trying to protect the fans who are grieving and apparently could not questioned things for themselves because they really believe in CB. She also alienated some of us who used to blog on her site, she did it to me. She did not agree with something I posted and guess what... She also exagerates by calling people here including Bonnie "haters" she even claimed of having her life threatened...if her life was threatened it is definitely not by people here. To me all this seems to be part of her manipulation to obtain sympathy from the fans and look where it got her. She has her own private blog where she can do whatever she wants with the fans and no objection.
I can tell you that anyone who have read Michael Newton books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls among other books can engage in "channeling" spirits by using the cotents of these two books for script among other books. Sometimes reading CB "channeling" took me back to my Journey of Souls reading. Here I say it. Her "chaneling" of Mihael seemed too scripted. Nothing really personal about it...she would defend it by saying that the spirit world is totally different and as a soul Michael needs are different. Then she will say thing like Michael does not want to talk about his life, Michael has moved away...of course... I do agree that as a soul his needs are different and yet, his needs and life in spirit seem to be scripted according to the book from Michael Newton. It is not that difficult to get into all this, just read a few Edgar Cayce books and Dr Moody and a few others and you will understand where CB is getting her stuff.
Yet, it is all my belief...you do not have to agree with me. Bonnie to my understanding is not engaging in a war with CB, she is defending the integrity of her profession which CB in her tactics that are unethical at time seem to be compromising. You do not start charging fans for fees a month or days after a celebrity die to "channel" him privately. This is what she was doing and still is doing. Anyone who does that kind of thing needs to be questioned.
We have no war going on here only concern for Michael's fans. We feel CB is taking advantage of their grief and exploiting them. Bonnie was contacted by a concerned CB blogger and that started our discussion. Many of us used to blog with CB but left for various reasons. None of it came up until CB's ethics came into question.
We have no fighting or arguing on this blog, we all come here in L.O.V.E. The only time we have a discord is when one of CB's followers comes here with hostility.
One thing I will make clear, Bonnie is not waging any war CB she is defending her profession. CB's practices have been ethically questionable and for that reason Bonnie is making a stand. She is defending Michael's name and his fans. That is all.
Hope this clears it up for you.
Love and Peace, JMM
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TS, People being hurt was addressed. Hurts need to be acknowledged and assisted, especially when grief is part of the play.
Intellectually I agree with some of your points. Michael was reaching towards doors being opened. And I think we all have stated that the original messages were pretty basically the same. The ability to listen to the spirit world is not to a limited few, people can learn to trust their center and hear for themselves. If everyone at CB's site had felt they had been given the tools to learn and grow, then this thread would never existed.
The fact is there are people who felt differently then you, with results different then yours. Those people's experience is to be respected. As is yours. I am glad you have found the way to contact. I am very glad you have found a way for contact that is cost free, and did not create confusion for yourself.
As far as CB's present activities, since she is not marketing Michael it is not my business. What continues to be the concern of this thread, is those who were hurt to help them find faith in what led them to seek Michael. It is common, for people who have been told one path, when they find that path to cause them pain, to reject all hope in the matter. It has been my concern, to show them that the truth is theirs to grasp themselves.
I sincerely doubt that the few people here are responsible for being all the e-mailers and doubters CB received. I know all of us sent respectful requests for verification since much of what CB said were in stark contrast to the other mediums. The training to be a spirit helper, could easily come from her belief system and understanding. As could anything that any spirit says be filtered through that mediums understanding.
The best anyone can do, is try to release the thought process, to not expect what to hear to allow the difference to free the mind.
Here we include unconditional love that respects you. Welcome and join. Maybe you have input that will help other's who felt betrayed or hurt to find the center you seem to have.
Finally in addition, anyone in any profession has a right to hold fellow's to the ethical standards of the profession. Anyone challenged that they are not following ethical standards have the the right and responsibility to answer the charge and enter a discussion of values. This appears to be one sided because we don't have the answers from CB as to why her Michael channels were different then other's. As to why people should pay her to hear him, when other's mediums are teaching people to hear him themselves. Other channels give a Michael who wants people to hear him themselves, why hers are so starkly different. If she had responded then a discussion could have developed
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The inability to engage in a dialogue about things she disagrees with or when she is questioned, the constant deleting of posts that are questionable or when she shows hostility like she did with Heidi, the deleting of replies from bloggers or posting of links that she disagrees with like she did with me therefore preventing her blogers from being exposed to anything different but her teaching leads to a lack of transparency that makes her methods questionable and give rise to the speculation about cult. I did not know she had a history of being in a cult when I thought she was behaving like a cult leader at the web level, I was really surprised to find out of that history. You see, cult practices lack transparency, secretive, only adhere to what the leader perceive as the only truth, seeing other as objects to be converted for salvation. Look into the language of CB blog, she talk about the "hater"s, she refers to the "ignorant" people, she fosters an environment where the focus is nmostly on her as a persecuted martyr therefore Michael fans have become her devotees just like in a cult, now they are isolated with her in a private island to protect her from the rest of us ignorant haters...he, he, he....tell me if this is not reminiscent of cult behavior? ---------- With L.O.V.E
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Behavior is present more than there. It's in a lot of places scattered about and moving all the time.
I feel compelled to add here that people should exercise caution when attempting to contact spirits. This is not something amateurs should be playing with. It is my opinion that it is irresponsible for her to be trying to teach this. You have no way of knowing if you are receiving Michael or a tricky impostor. There are a LOT of impostors out there. Beware and be aware.
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to agentM: just to make this clear: she is NOT teaching this! and she's also not encouraging people to try ... to me it just happened and i was able to understand it because of 2 comments that were posted by 2 people from the blog. could have been another blog (for example this one here), too.
I was watching an episode of Paranormal State. The client was addicted to collecting EVP's. So much so that she closed off to 'everything else.
Some of the episodes show people who thought they were conjuring spirits ended up bringing in uninvited guests. Maybe we can discuss this in a different thread, I think AgentM brought up a good caution.
Personally, I think first thing people need to do is see spirits as people. What is the motive for a grandfather hanging around a grandchild after he has passed, will be a grandfather's reason. But unknown spirits are still unknown spirits and a risk. Whoever they are. I have heard from many people who have had Michael dreams, seen moments from his life to doubt anyone saying they have felt Michael's presence.
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I will confess somthing here that I have only told to people real close to me. Michael visited me in a dream, shortly after he passed, and told me he didn't want to be here, ( meaning in the new dimension, the non physical world.) I told him repeatedly that there was nothing he could do he had to stay there. This went on for a while then I woke up.
When I first found this web site Bonnie's first few channelings from Michael gave me a chill because they correlated with my dream.
Michael said if a visitation in a dream feels real than it is. Believe me this was real. It is the only dream of him I have had.
I think after Michael passed a lot of us were able to feel his spirit. To me, I was able to experience him in dreams also felt his spirit around and this lasted for quite a while. As I am writing this, I feel that he has been going in between plans and this will last for a while until somethings are resolved. The FBI findings or should I say non-findings that were released are only part of the things that need to be resolved.
I just have the intuition, kind of a knowing. Lately, I have learned to trust that intuition and it has proven to be correct, it has not defaulted me yet. I get in trouble when I do not listen to it.
In my early dream about Michael, he had the globe on his back. He was on the floor and the globe representing the earth was on his back. I tried to understand this and I concluded that his spirit was still worried about the earth. His carrying the earth on his back as shown in my dream is a way believe that his spirit is communicating that he cares and will try to help us at a global level, this is why he was such an internationally known artist, he really belonged to the world. I am also understanding the reason of his trouble at home in America from a spiritual level, as though these things needed to happen for souls developement, planetary growth.
I did not think I would live to see this intense grieving for such a prolonged period. The spirit of Michael is very much with us. After his passing I was the most generous that I could be, very kind, very gentle more so then before, all of a sudden I fully understand him, really get him...I became obssessed with his lyrics and discovered they were all profound messages for humanity. These things wee felt because Michael spirit was communicating with a lot of us. I was not the only person feeling this way, i have found out a lot of people felt these things. I also discovered that he displayed behavior that could have him classified among mystics...i am still learning from him. He was definitely a gift to humanity. ---------- With L.O.V.E
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A- Your post is giving me chills because my experience has been much the same, a profound spritual awakening. It is amazing how many of us he touched. I too listen more closely to his lyrics and their message and believe they are lessons for us.
I grieved Michael like someone I knew and loved and I am still grieving. But I have been on a journey that has forever changed my life. It is true transformation. I am also more giving, and loving, and less judgemental. Love was Michael's message and I am blessed and honored to be tuned into his spirit and soul. He was such a gift from God and I am so happy I was here on this planet during his lifetime.
What a blessing Michael and Bonnie have brought us here together to celebrate and to learn from one another.
Hey everyone! Here is very healthy enviroment. You all seem so normal. I used to was a part of CB blog, until she decided to go private, that was too much for me. Like somebody said, I also started to feel like part of a cult, and yes, she has her favorite people there and yes they are ones who uses her private sevices. There you can't say when you disagree with some subject, you are automaticly judged and attacked. And yes, as I reaserched, at first, messages from MJ were posted regular and then more rarely. There you always have to celebrate CB greatness and always telling her how wonderfull she is. The main subject there is her and her, not MJ. Most of us came there looking for some comfort over MJ death and all we had to do there was, again, telling her how special she is. At first her blong seemed so great, but with time, normal person has to feel unhealthy and weird there. Bonnie, I listened your messages from MJ, they sound just like him and I like the fact that you are asking MJ to answer questions from fans and you are posting them regular. CB doesn't do that. If you ask on her blog that she asks MJ something, usually simple, she just ignores your request, and you start to feel stupid, like you are talking to wall. I think that she didn't put a new message from MJ for more than a month. She's just asking to call her private or buy his messages. Bay the way, I was sent here to see hate messages. I don't see any hate messages, just facts and her playing victim!
I am happy you found us. Many of us used to blog with CB but stopped for various reasons. You will not find any hate or malice here. Welcome again and I think you will like this forum.
Thank you Malajepala, For what you said. None of us hate CB. We love Michael Jackson, and feel the hurt of his loss with all fans.
In fact we believe that she is sincere to her understanding. We just questioned why her "Michael" was different then the above posts. No one else seemed to hear that he was in any sort of training. But then none of us come from a belief system that offers Spirit Helpers, CB does.
Many of us, having felt, heard, or dreamt about Michael all along the same vein. I came across people who questioned whether the Billie Jean and messages they heard were from Michael, since they heard nothing about drug abuse from him or training for anything like they read on CB's blog. The need to pay to hear something different some honored, some still honor, because they are paying for a moment with a man who alive, they could not touch. And frankly that is not offered here. Welcome, and thank you again
Welcome Malajepala, I echo JMM, you will not find hate here. Just growing up people who are able to think, respect and love unconditionally as Dawn put it previously. So far, I have not been disapointed about coming here. If anything they wanted to protect you guys over the CB blog. We all have one thing in common, our love for Michael and our grief over his loss. There can not be mean spirits among us who trully love Michael. ---------- With L.O.V.E
TS, I must have missed something in Bonnie's channeled sessions with Michael. According to you, when it comes to the messages from all the psychics who have claimed to have channeled Michael, "ALL of them are about love and spiritual growth." Hmmm. . .I may have to watch Bonnie's channeled messages from Michael once again. I don't recall Michael talking about love and spiritual growth in her channeled sessions with him. I have not watched or read the sessions of any others, except for Bob Hickman's. I read CB's first 'session' shortly after it went online, and I found it too fairy tale-ish in quality for me to accept as legit. I do get the distinct impression that *that* message (about love and spiritual growth) is what some of the alleged psychics themselves want to put out there, and they may be using Michael to do that, since his music and messages here on Earth often had to do with love (for humanity, respect for the earth, compassion for others, etc). However, I wouldn't automatically assume that Michael's messages and comments in the spirit realm would be 100% the same as if he were still here on Earth. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that he was indeed murdered and that foul play was involved, it stands to reason he might be quite careful as to what he puts out for the public, and what he keeps private. Certain psychics may have his head up in the clouds, but I have a feeling Michael's 'head' is a bit more grounded than some people may realize. . .
JMM and A, I greatly respect the dreams you've both had of Michael, and I thank you for sharing them publicly. I have not had any dreams of Michael, unlike when Princess Diana died. I definitely had a dream of her - only one, but it was extremely vivid - and I still remember it to this day. She's the only other celebrity whose death had a major impact on me (and on millions of others around the world!). I have conversations with Michael in my mind while I'm awake. No dreams. And how right you are, JMM, about how his death was a kind of 'awakening' for so many people.
If Michael was actually murdered, the people who did it just brought millions of people around the world closer to a greater global consciousness. I really am not interested in the hoopla and predictions of 2012, but taking the life of Michael Jackson may have just set some things in motion. I have a sneaking suspicion "They" never thought about that.
JMM, I really like your post regarding your experience with Michael. Like yourself I have been on this spritual journey as well, redicovering Michael's music all over again. Recently I have really listened to Want to be Starting Something. Michael wrote that music years ago about gossip, it is as though he knew he was going to be the subject of terrible terrible gossips/accusation with the media. I took the liberty to post the lyrics here. Remember he wrote this song before his troubles started and he loved it to the point that he always performed it in every concert. Read it thoughfully if you have not done so already Here we go:
I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder
I Took My Baby To The Doctor With A Fever, But Nothing He Found By The Time This Hit The Street They Said She Had A Breakdown Someone's Always Tryin' To Start My Baby Cryin' Talkin', Squealin', Lyin' Sayin' You Just Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder
You Love To Pretend That You're Good When You're Always Up To No Good You Really Can't Make Him Hate Her So Your Tongue Became A Razor Someone's Always Tryin' To Keep My Baby Cryin' Treacherous, Cunnin', Declinin' You Got My Baby Cryin'
I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder You're A Vegetable, You're A Vegetable Still They Hate You, You're A Vegetable You're Just A Buffet, You're A Vegetable They Eat Off Of You, You're A Vegetable
Billie Jean Is Always Talkin' When Nobody Else Is Talkin' Tellin' Lies And Rubbin' Shoulders So They Called Her Mouth A Motor Someone's Always Tryin' To Start My Baby Cryin' Talkin', Squealin', Spyin' Sayin' You Just Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder You're A Vegetable, You're A Vegetable Still They Hate You, You're A Vegetable You're Just A Buffet, You're A Vegetable They Eat Off Of You, You're A Vegetable
If You Cant Feed Your Baby Then Don't Have A Baby And Don't Think Maybe If You Can't Feed Your Baby You'll Be Always Tryin' To Stop That Child From Cryin' Hustlin', Stealin', Lyin' Now Baby's Slowly Dyin'
I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' You Got To Be Startin' Somethin' It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder It's Too High To Get Over Too Low To Get Under You're Stuck In The Middle And The Pain Is Thunder
Lift Your Head Up High And Scream Out To The World I Know I Am Someone And Let The Truth Unfurl No One Can Hurt You Now Because You Know What's True Yes, I Believe In Me So You Believe In You Help Me Sing It, Ma Ma Se, Ma Ma Sa, Ma Ma Coo Sa Ma Ma Se, Ma Ma Sa, Ma Ma Coo Sa ---------- With L.O.V.E ---------- With L.O.V.E
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A- Wow you are so right! I haven't really looked at this song in this way but I agree with you. The lyrics seem like a prediction from Michael about his future, his inner self or soul knew what was ahead. Yes, he loved this song and always performed it. I love it too, especially the African chants at the end. It is realy grabs me.
Thanks A, I will always listen to this song in a new light. Appreciate the lesson.
JMM, Mike was a true gift to us. I am tankful I shared the earth with him, born the same year. He was just two months older then me who was born in October of 1958. I love to share the earth now with his fans. Thank you and much love to you Bonnie for allowing us to post on your site.
Let me add that I trully believe that he was a mystic, the more I am learning about him the more i am gravitating toward that belief. Look at how often the number seven keeps on repeating with his path. That is not why i think of him as a mystic but the mumber seven that keeps on repeating with him is just interesting. ---------- With L.O.V.E
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I Took My Baby On A Saturday Bang but Is That Girl With You Yes We're One And The Same
Now I Believe In Miracles And A Miracle Has Happened Tonight
But, If You're Thinkin' About My Baby It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White
They Print My Message In The Saturday Sun I Had To Tell Them I Ain't Second To None
And I Told About Equality An It's True Either You're Wrong Or You're Right
But, If You're Thinkin' About My Baby It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White
I Am Tired Of This Devil I Am Tired Of This Stuff I Am Tired Of This Business So When The Going Gets Rough I Ain't Scared Of Your Brother I Ain't Scared Of No Sheets I Ain't Scared Of Nobody Girl When The Goin' Gets Mean
[L. T. B. Rap Performance] Protection For Gangs, Clubs And Nations Causing Grief In Human Relations It's A Turf War On A Global Scale I'd Rather Hear Both Sides Of The Tale See, It's Not About Races Just Places Faces Where Your Blood Comes From Is Where Your Space Is I've Seen The Bright Get Duller I'm Not Gonna Spend My Life Being A Color
[Michael] Don't Tell Me You Agree With Me When I Saw You Kicking Dirt In My Eye
But, If You're Thinkin' About My Baby It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White
I Said If You're Thinkin' Of Being My Baby It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White
I Said If You're Thinkin' Of Being My Brother It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White
Ooh, Ooh Yea, Yea, Yea Now Ooh, Ooh Yea, Yea, Yea Now
It's Black, It's White It's Tough For You To Get By It's Black , It's White, Whoo
It's Black, It's White It's Tough For You To Get By It's Black , It's White, Whoo Love to all
Dawn, Great lyrics I read them and re-read them. This song is so profound, the video just great. I love it when everybody in the video morphed into each other. These lyrics are so great in promoting social consciousness, just love it and love Mike. Thanks for posting. ---------- With L.O.V.E
Here's more this is also from Dangerous pre false accusation. It seemed to me that the pure ignorance he faced was the result of people wanting him to fit a type. To speak of love, but not our loving other's. To fill us with joy as a child, but not to grow to be a man who understood the loss of childhood damages us all. To call for peace, but not the end of war. Hold Me Like The River Jordan And I Will Then Say To Thee You Are My Friend
Carry Me Like You Are My Brother Love Me Like A Mother Will You Be There?
Weary Tell Me Will You Hold Me When Wrong, Will You Scold Me When Lost Will You Find Me?
But They Told Me A Man Should Be Faithful And Walk When Not Able And Fight Till The End But I'm Only Human
Everyone's Taking Control Of Me Seems That The World's Got A Role For Me I'm So Confused Will You Show To Me You'll Be There For Me And Care Enough To Bear Me
(Hold Me) (Lay Your Head Lowly) (Softly Then Boldly) (Carry Me There)
(Lead Me) (Love Me And Feed Me) (Kiss Me And Free Me) (I Will Feel Blessed)
(Carry) (Carry Me Boldly) (Lift Me Up Slowly) (Carry Me There)
(Save Me) (Heal Me And Bathe Me) (Softly You Say To Me) (I Will Be There)
(Lift Me) (Lift Me Up Slowly) (Carry Me Boldly) (Show Me You Care)
(Hold Me) (Lay Your Head Lowly) (Softly Then Boldly) (Carry Me There)
(Need Me) (Love Me And Feed Me) (Kiss Me And Free Me) (I Will Feel Blessed)
[Spoken] In Our Darkest Hour In My Deepest Despair Will You Still Care? Will You Be There? In My Trials And My Tribulations Through Our Doubts And Frustrations In My Violence In My Turbulence Through My Fear And My Confessions In My Anguish And My Pain Through My Joy And My Sorrow In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow I'll Never Let You Part For You're Always In My Heart.
oh my God! Dawn, this is what I listened to every night.. before I go to sleep with tears in my eyes. This is what I am leaving in my will for my loved one to play at my funeral. To me this is the ultimate prayer after our Lord Jesus Christ prayer of Our Father who Art in Heaven, Holly be thy Name"...this is our humanity prayer. It summs up what Michael is all about and our love for him. This is our human legacy that he has left us. For six months I listened to this every single night with tears in my eyes. I just wish that i was there for him when he was alive. This song explained what that woman did at the end of his trial when she released the doves. This song explains why Debbie Rowe chose to have his children...this song explains a lot and that is all i can say. This song also also explains why I think he is a mystic. I am so grateful to see that he has brought us together. Thank you Dawn and thank you Bonnie. Really thank you Bonnie. Thank you Michael for giving us each other. ---------- With L.O.V.E
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Hey everyone! Thanks for your welcoming. I'm happy to find you. I like your posts, again, they are sooo normal. I'm glad become a part of your club. I'll stick around. I'm still reading your previous posts and like them very muh. Hey Bonnie, thanks for taking me in, like your site and I like the fact you communinicate with people here about any subject. You don't give impression like you are beyond us, you seem like you really like commuicating with people about anything. I like you.
Thanks for the lyrics, Michael was such a genius and humanitarian who was way ahead of his time. Like Jermaine always says too good for this Earth, he suffered so much.
A- I also would like Will You Be There played at my memorial service. I still have such a hard time listening to this song, it fills me with such emotion. It is so beautiful and soulful....Gone Too Soon is another one.
Love you all, love this journey that we are on together. Love coming to this space, it is my refuge....Love, JMM
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I think Michael is a wonderful example that people not getting you is their problem. He continued his music lyrics that spoke of being understood beyond the hopelessness we are led to believe is all there is. He continued to say I love you more. He reminded us that no matter how much love we feel capable of there is more out there. And he kept giving so much while never loosing that there is a greater humanity then most are allowed to aspire to. This is a great journey and I am so glad for the friends here traveling together.
Hi, may I ask how you knew of me before I came here to the Bonnie Vent message board? I am curious. I am very appreciate of your caring and love for me. I will always remember your generosity towards me. Yes, I agree I like to read books about the afterlife by James van Praagh and Sylvia Browne. You are very kind. Sincerely, Heidi.
Heidi, I am going to take the liberty to answer this question. The same week before you came, I posted the reply of CB to you when you asked her to continue with the Michael Channeling. Her answer to you was very harsh, hurtful, so I shared that with our friends here. This is how I believe they knew about you before you came. I copied her reply to you and posted it here. She took it down from her site. I was not surprised to see you here, I am glad you have found your way. I recognize you right away. I used to smile when I read your post over CB's because I know you love Michael and wanted so much to hear from him through CB. You kind of threw a little temper tantrum when CB threatened to stop channelling him after she got you use to her every other day "channeling" of him. She failed to see how she built your hope and took them down as quickly and asking to be paid for private sessions. To me she was not sensitive to your grief.
I hope you stick around Heidi, these are really great folks. You will not get false hope about Michael but you are in company of people who love and grieve over him in addition to this being a great site to learn about the after life. ---------- With L.O.V.E
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Thank you for your kind words and your compassion. I am truly touched and deeply moved. I am happy to be here and I look forward to learning. Sincerely, Heidi.
Heidi You found us before we found you. I believe you were led.
I agreed with A's assessment of what happened. The request you made seemed like the pain of loosing Michael was again fresh. And that is so not what Michael would want it to be. He did not come to us in spirit so someone could threaten to take him away. I know you were led here. We are all enjoying this learning journey.
I also remeber how CB replay to you Heidi. She was more than rude! Awful! I couldn't believe how she answered to you! She is a strange woman, just like I wrote somewhere before, she wants to be celebrated and she wants her fans write how great she is. You can't have your own opinion over her blog, if you have your own opinion you instanly become subject of attack. Her blog is to artificial and she can't stand criticism. I like more you people here.
I have a question is Michael the only spirit people are hearing. Reason I ask, my daughter, after she first was convinced that Michael really was present, twice saw unmistakable images of her grandfather's face. This is part of the reason I never posted on CB's site, even though like other's I was searching for validation, it felt to me that there was control and I wanted to support my daughter.
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"I have a question is Michael the only spirit people are hearing."
Good question, DLB. I think, personally speaking, that since Michael's passing last June, many people (myself included) have been dealing with such grief and have been so open to 'receiving' Michael that we may have, in fact, allowed other spirits or people who have passed to 'enter' our lives and/or our thoughts. I compare this to standing in front of your front door while inside your home. You might be waiting and hoping for Michael Jackson to be the person on the other side 'knocking,' but in fact, it could be someone else who has been trying to 'reach' you for some time. Since you are now 'open' to receiving 'guests,' while deeply hoping it's Michael, that other spirit or person may now be able to communicate with you, whereas before they could not - because you were not willing to let them in, receive them or listen to them.
The pronoun "you" as used in my example is meant to be a general "you," not a specific reference to you, personally, DLB. :)
Just my personal thoughts and speculations on the topic.
I think you are correct, when it comes to my daughter. Because I kept telling her her grandfather was with her. I had dreams where I felt him watching over her. And dreams of experiences I knew about, from his point of view while he lived them. But she kept pushing away. Then when she saw there was no doubt that Michael was a spirit in the room. All of a sudden she saw grandpa's face and had to admit he was trying to reach her. A couple years ago, she had a dream that her best friend came to her and told her she had to start caring about herself or she would die the same way. In the first week of July my daughter was admitted to the hospital with internal bleeding. It was after this that I tried one more time to get her to hear her grandfather, and Michael "helped" me to get her to face the spirit world was real.
She still has "issues" her last one, she had to question herself and see her grandfather there. Not that I think the spirit world is a escape from counseling. I think her being a sensitive may be part of why she closes the door on emotions.
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Thank you for sharing this, DLB. I think that sometimes, in sharing our own experiences (or those experiences of close friends and family members), we may help others along the way.
Dear All, I have read the posting between Carmen and DLB with interest and I began to think about it since DLB asked the question about ability to see/feel other spirit beyond Michael. I like the way that Carmen answered it by pointing out that we are like open doors/inviting wanting so much to have contact with Michael that indeed we will attract other spirits.
As I thought more about this, I found myself thinking/feeling intuitively that it all have to do with the consciousness shift that is occurring and Michael being such a world icon has facilitated the opening of those doors because at a global level, so many of us are in tune to his spirit. That shift in consciousness is primarily being felt by the sensitives like it is usually the case but those among us who were not connected are finding out that our connection to Michael is bringing us closer to it and we are tapping into our collective spiritual knowing through our experiences with Michael who represents love. Remember, LOVE is the highest form of energy, nothing exists but LOVE. Once we can tap into this energy as a collective then a lot will become possible for us to achieve spitually. with Michael, we have indeed tapped into that energy, we are being opened to receive...now we have to sustain the reception by maintaining the LOVE energy...whenever we feel the spirit of LOVE, we are feeling Michael's spirit because I believe that he resides within this vibration in the spiritual realm. I feel that we can soar higher and higher within that energy...I feel that we are transcending and evolving spiritually. Again, the sensitives will get there first but ultimately, we will all get there including all living creatures. The Christ energy has helped humanity, we have had different teachers Buddha being one, Michael has been our modern day spiritual teacher as well. This is why many of us are having those experiences. For those who doubt, please start asking yourself what a spiritual teacher look like? You will find often it is the ones that we least suspect.
The catholic church has been telling us all along about the spirit world but in their own sometimes fear installing propaganda...I believe the spirit world to be a kinder place then the way it is represented in the Catholic church, nevertheless, they are my point of reference for many subjects although I no longer conserider myself religious. One thing that they have going that I like in my validation for the spirit world is their prayers to the Saints...have you given it any thought...we who were raised catholic, have been praying to "dead people". Well we are not praying to dead people but praying to their spirits. Think of it, we have an entire, organized religion, very powerful one that indeed recognizes the spirit world and pray to departed souls that they canonize and call SAINTS. If this is not validation about the spirit world, I do not know what it is. Those spirits are also given credits for miracles within the church. Now this is the biggest validation to the spirit world and life after death right under our nose.
To conclude, Let us stay in tune to our beloved spirits and receive their guidance and messages while being careful not to invite non-wanted guests. ---------- With L.O.V.E
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A, Thank you, I think you hit on the key with love. Because anything else does open the wrong doors. Michael is guiding people to the right doors. They may have known they were there before, but fear of the unknown kept them from making the step. And then the part of our world that plays on fear, may have kept the doors in a small corner, seemingly not real.
I'm not a big believer in 2012 being a major year for changes, but I do believe that the deaths of President John F. Kennedy, Princess Diana and Michael Jackson have each had a major impact on people around the world. We didn't have the Internet as we know it back in the 1960s or in 1997, when we lost Kennedy and Princess Diana, so there is no way to gauge or track the global emotional and psychological impact of the first two people I mentioned. Elvis Presley was yet another highly important public figure whose life and music had a major impact on people the world over.
I personally don't consider love the answer to the world's problems. I hope I don't offend anyone here or any readers who lurk. I consider RESPECT the key to getting along and having peace in this world: Respect and tolerance for the ways of other peoples, other religions, other cultures, etc.
Example: When you first meet someone, a person who is a total stranger to you, you are not expected to actually love that person. It is customary to greet him or her, state your name, and extend a hand for a hand shake (at least here in America, we shake hands). You smile and show RESPECT. Love may come later as you get to know that person. Trust is *earned* with the passage of time and through tests that may come your way relative to that person.
Regarding global consciousness: People may also be reaching out more due to internal struggles, financial struggles, emotional struggles (due to war, job loss, family member losses, etc.) the world wide crashing economic situation, and rising anger about our governments and politicians. With the Internet and YouTube, along with e-mail, we have the power to communicate with each other and share information on a high speed and global level. Sharing information increases other people's awareness. I think many, many issues are at work here and are influencing people around the world. Michael Jackson's death is a major blow and had a major impact, just as Princess Diana's was, and so was President Kennedy's.
I consider myself Christian (technically Born Again), but I don't go to church (I'm going to start this year, as I think the time is right), but I don't feel the need to love everyone. Just being honest here. I feel the need to have awareness and compassion for others, and to consider the wants and needs of others, not just my own. A healthy mental and emotional state is, in my opinion, a careful balancing act in which one takes care of oneself while also helping others.
If anyone had doubts about certain things going on in the world, or possible groups of people behind those things, Michael's death may have turned some doubters into believers. If anyone had doubts about life after death, or whether or not there is such a thing as a soul, I think Michael's death has turned some doubters into believers. I don't think "They" counted on that.
I hope my post hasn't offended anyone, in particular A and Dawn, as I know you both believe in LOVE. I also believe in it, but I don't consider it the magic solution to world problems and conflicts. I do believe in self awareness, self healing, therapy and counseling, awareness of and for others, respect for others, and compassion. I also believe what I've read in at least one book, titled "The Road Less Traveled." This world would be a better place if people were more self aware and were hurting less inside.
I see Michael as a small part of a very large mural painting in an imaginary museum. The mural is about 10 feet high and 20 feet across. He's part of the overall picture, but he's not the picture itself. I have a tremendous amount of admiration and respect for him, but I'm stepping back as far as I can to see this huge mural. By stepping back, I see a much larger picture. Michael, in my opinion, was another casualty of a much larger scheme - or "picture." When "They" go after bigger names and people who were loved the world over, "They" call attention to themselves. . .and "They" show their arrogance. . .Michael was, in my opinion, a Messenger, and he may well be vindicated and protected by other Messengers, some of whom could not help him in life and in time to save him.
If I believe in any kind of LOVE theme here, it would be love for humanity and mankind. "They" would not understand that. "They" understand money and power and human enslavement, I believe.
While I adore and greatly respect Michael, my way of fighting for him and defending him will go well beyond Michael himself. "They" take their time in achieving their goals. "They" wait for years and years. I wouldn't be surprised if "They" waited for at least 8-10 years for Michael. I may not be a very patient person in some areas of my life, but I can think of at least one area where I'm going to be very, very patient.
I wasn't a happy camper in the fall of 2008 while watching the MSM during our elections here in America. Realizing what was happening right in front of my eyes made me very angry. Realizing that Michael most likely didn't just die of a "heart attack" also made me angry. The fact that the American Medical Association allows Murray to continue to practice medicine while having openly acknowledged breaking the law with Propofol makes me angry. The fact that it took over $600 million dollars to get Obama into office makes me very angry. Think of what could be done to "Heal the World" with $600 million dollars!!! I can't even wrap my head around that dollar amount.
Speaking for myself alone, my feeling is "never mind love." My emphasis is on thought and THINKING. With thought comes awareness. With awareness comes realization. With realization comes anger. With anger comes a desire to take action. With action comes making a difference. That's my thought process here.
Carmen, The love I am referring to is not about 2012, I too believe it may just be propaganda but I believe that we are in a constant state of evolution. The love i am talking about is not something that interferes with abilities to think or take action when needed, it also does not interfere with respect. It does not go around being touchy/feely, it is rather a soul disposition when one realizes that after all we come from the same matrix. I personally tend to believe in the concept of oneness; and that we come from the one who for his ultimate undestanding and loving create all of this as s/he tried to experience and understand himself/herself. Therefore,self extended and self multiplies into all of these possibilities. What appears to be strange, foreign or a stranger is in reality part of the ONE, in his or her infinite goodness self multiplied into the many. If I do believe that You Are Another Part of Me, when I first meet you I am going to respect you and your boundaries but my disposition toward you is going to be inclined toward loving and accepting you until That Other Part of Me proves to be undesirable and need redressing but still I will love you but would have to put the boundaries because that is what This Other Part of Me requires for his/her soul growth and evolvement. When I meet Another Part of Me who seems more in tune, we will click and love each other unconditionally...and it goes on and on. This is probably my visionary thinking at work here but not farfetched from what our humanity aspire to. Do not forget that the problem in the world is that of LOVE.
Our problems in the world has a lot to do with our illusion of separation/individuation. The love I am talking about is beyond all that...has difficulty being conceived within the mind of an industrialized society but it is the one that the Christ principle speaks about and the buddha in his all compassionate teaching, third world countries are closer to that love believe it or not. Don't know if I am making sense. Thinking is the thing of the mind. Loving is the thing of the soul. Enlightenment is the function of the soul not the mind. The mind perpetuates illusion and separation.
I am not sure that one person or we as a whole can go against the negativites that exist with the things of the mind. Only the things of the soul can really effect the negativities that affect us. The things of the soul really has the power to unite which is why an artist with his art reaching the dimension of the soul of many, giving out messages with his art/songs that lead one to think and feel is a very powerful change agent.
---------- With L.O.V.E
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I think we fail to see each other as parts of a whole that separates should unite. It does not because we look away. If we knew, really knew what we were putting behind us, we would look, because the inner child, the broken heart, the one who misses, the soul, the strength of us wants to live. I heard a theory once that death is a result of the soul choosing to live. That the choices we make alive burden our soul, that sees the bigger part, that we are all looking in the wrong direction. The soul knows that differences are only in expression, action and reaction not in course. The soul wants to live, and with prejudices, ignorances, intolerances, choices that burden our soul we separate ourselves from the small voice that wants to be heard. That small voice is us. The love comes through us, it is there whether we want it or not, because it is part of the human experience. Some push so hard to hate, because they do not want to love. And yet, their heart grieves while they refuse to hear. I think Love has the wrong meaning applied we are told if we love someone we want to change them, be with them. Some times the greater love is letting the blind lead the blind into the ditch. The greater love is saying no. The greater love is listening with an open heart and keeping judgment for another day. Knowing the path can bring pain, but respecting the rightr to choose. Just thoughts, I think there are no wrong thoughts, and I love that we discuss all things.
Wow girls, what a expiriences! I never felt presents of other spirits, but I had a very vivid dreams about Michael. From time to time I feel tickling when I listen some of his songs. Hm, I believe that I didn't open spiritualy enough, but from time to time I feel he is present. Actually, my grief when he died surprised me a big time, I never thought that I'm one of those people who will cry over famous person, to be honest I wasn't crazy fan when he was alive, I only liked his music very much. When he died I became a fanatic! I searched through internet, magazines, youtube, everything I could find about him. I thought that I'm loosing my mind. I thought that I'm crazy! I was grieving over famous person, I didn't know him, I wasn't real fan, what's wrong with me? So, I finally found others who had similar expiriences and I felt better and realized that nothing is wrong with me. He was just very, very special person with big impact on others. Oh, how happy I am that I found you people!
See the thing is he was a hero to inner city kids, they learned his music, after he brought them to Neverland, gave his time spoke on their futures, then they became fans. People who worked in hospitals not his fans, so him spend entire days with sick kids, they listened to his music, after witnessing the man. Nothing was wrong with you you are one in a million ;)
I love this theory that death is the result of the soul choosing to live. Very profound statement. I do agree that our soul knows more then we do. Well they are the planer of our lives...they agree to certain condition pre-birth for their evolvement, that is what I read from from Michael Newton books on souls. According to his books, we come from a place of all loving and knowing but that we are at different stage of development and that being in the physical allows for faster evolution but you know what...enough of this!!! sometimes I can not stand being in this little isolated planet in the removed corner of the universe with a whole bunch of confused souls dropping bombs on each other and sending my favorite artist to his early death...enough already...IT HURTS. I think they have got to be a better way to seek soul growth then being in the physical and going through all of this, it is so limited. ---------- With L.O.V.E
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Yes DLB, when I found I'm one in a million I felt - relieved! Now, I'm not grieving anymore, I just enjoy him, his music and conversation with his fans. I just feel bad that I didn't enjoy him more when he was alive. But, you know, you don't know what you have until you loose it. But, I'm happy because I'm sure that now he really feels our love. Many people loved him when he was alive, and I think that he wasn't aware of all those people who trully loved him, he wasn't able to take that love in a way he can now. I think that this love, unfortunately, couldn't reach him because of all the bad things that happened to him. If you understand what I try to say. English is not my maternal language.
