sdparanormal
333 posts
Dec 28, 2009
3:14 PM
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Hi Everyone,
I have tried to be very nice about this Cherokee Billie person but I am fed up. The actions of one affects all the rest of us. Her being in the same country as I am is still too close.
Cherokee Billie has ask people for money in Michael Jackson's name for a charity that does not exist. All proceeds go to her. No audit trail.
She has attempted to sell a download of alledged messages from Michael Jackson. There is not one shred of proof that she ever spoke with Michael Jackson. This was after in her words receiving hate mail for the donation drive.
I gather for quite some time she has been selling alledged readings with Michael Jackson. A few days ago a so called client of hers came to this message board to endorse these readings. I called her on it and she deleted her own posts. Today Cherokee Billie has decided to openly advertise minimum 30 minutes paid readings with Michael Jackson.
All of her activities are directed at grieving fans to separate them from their hard earned money.
So to recap:
1. Obviously Cherokee Billie is not the name she was born with.
2. Charging grieving people for readings with a celebrity that she has no proof of being in contact with. On demand readings no less. As if Michael Jackson is standing by the 800 number waiting for your call. Sorry it does not work that way.
3. Asking for donations to a charity that does not exist.
UNDER MY 3 STRIKES POLICY CHEROKEE BILLIE YOU ARE OUT. PLEASE DO NOT FALL FOR THIS...RUN VERY FAR AWAY FROM THIS WOMAN.
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2009 8:19 PM
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Lizzywils
4 posts
Dec 28, 2009
3:54 PM
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Even when Michael is no longer here there are still people like this woman who are exploiting him for financial gain. What must he think....I know there is nothing he can do directly anymore as such. You are his only 'voice' so I am sure he is thankful that there are still good people like you who are not seeking monetary gain from being associated with him. How refreshing that must be for Michael. Thank you Bonnie x
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Susanna
20 posts
Dec 28, 2009
3:56 PM
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Bonnie,
Is there anything we can do to stop her deception, at this point?
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It's all for love...L.O.V.E.
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smt
6 posts
Dec 28, 2009
4:00 PM
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Hello Bonnie,
Yes I saw this message earlier today. She is also offering a so called FREE service saying that she will ask Michael one question a month,from his fans, and will post the response. Unfortunately, there are people out there that cannot see past this bogus scam. I am speechless. All I can say at this point in time is....OH MY GOODNESS!! What's next. OH I know, for the right price she will actually make Michael physically appear..
Enough is enough already! I know I probably should not be a smart you know what...lol.... but come on she is way out of order here...
Sonya
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jmm
54 posts
Dec 28, 2009
4:34 PM
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I am sad to read these messages, it is a never ending saga with CB. What a scam!
Bonnie, I am sure Michael is glad you are fighting for his fans and is very grateful. Wow, this is so frustrating. Bonnie I can't imagine how you must feel.
JMM
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DLB
45 posts
Dec 28, 2009
5:19 PM
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Well I am sure many of us here are part of the "hate mail". Which was not hate mail. I just requested a verification from her that it was Michael that wanted money sent. I would say deny her attention, even negative seems to drive her to further extremes. I have always had trouble with mediums who act as though the spirits any spirit is at our beck and call. That anyone would believe Michael is just standing around and waiting for her to call him is so sad. That anyone would take advantage of that sort of thing. Former friends are selling his life story, taped conversations. Everything was like an interview, it seems as every conversation he ever had was an interview. Just like real journalism has tabloid press, so does every aspect of the real world have it's garbage collectors and sellers. And look how it taints us all.
Dawn
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jmm
56 posts
Dec 28, 2009
5:49 PM
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Yes it is all so sad. Even in death the voltures are still circling....greed and money. JMM
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jmm
57 posts
Dec 28, 2009
6:07 PM
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Dawn I sent an email to Cherokee and asked her for some verification. I also told her that I am a fan of Michael's and I don't like that she is taking advantage of other fans during their grieving period.
I also told her this is not hate mail but just someone who is seeking the truth.
Wouldn't it be nice for those that trust and believe in Cherokee Billie to have her respond to us and defend her work? Wouldn't that be the professional way to respond instead of calling it hate mail?
I will let you know if I anything back from her.
JMM
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A
9 posts
Dec 28, 2009
6:54 PM
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This is a very sad thing to do to MJ grieving fans. I really feel sorry that I wasted my time on her blog. I wish she would stop. This is like an insult to MJ's fans intelligence to think that he can be accessed any time that CB calls on him, I know it does not work that way. Her propensity for deception really explains why she is so defended and stired up sympathy among the fans with her victim complexe and complaints. I hope more people see through her. I am so glad I did.
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With L.O.V.E
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Susanna
21 posts
Dec 28, 2009
7:12 PM
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I did a little research and found out her real name is Billie Chainey. Here is one link to some info.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Billie_Chainey
I am not sure if Bonnie wants this stuff on the forum (feel free to delete), I just thought I would put it out there if anyone would want to do further research.
S.
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It's all for love...L.O.V.E.
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A
10 posts
Dec 28, 2009
8:29 PM
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Susanna,
I just visited the link that you have posted, I am just very surprised about the cult connection. Sorry to say that my intuition of cult behavior with the CB blog was right on target. I do not know if she recognizes what she was or is fostering but her blog definitely has that cult element to it. I am afraid to say that exposure to this cult that she was a part of has left its residual on her as it is reflected in her blog and which I have picked on and wrote about here unbeknown of her history in a cult. I am just totally surprised that my intuition was so right and that CB was affiliated with cult activities for a long time. I am so glad that I listened to my intuition and left the blog. How sad! I hope she recognizes that the effect of being part of this cult still lingers on and that maybe she still have some personal work to do to really break free from it. She still carries the imprint of being part of a cult and she is fostering same at the web level. This is what turned me off the blog more so then the money aspect of it. I wonder if she is going to have a Michael Jackson cult where the fans will be paying to keep on communicating with MJ through her as a way of keeping his memory alive. This is unhealthy, scary stuff. Something that I am sure MJ would have never agreed with. Most of her bloggers are from different countries, some very naive and missing Michael a lot. I sure hope she stops this. I have also learned that she is not in good health, I understand she has to make a living but she can do it in a different way.
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With L.O.V.E
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amygrace
7 posts
Dec 28, 2009
9:58 PM
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Oh God...I shouldn't have visited her blog to see what she is saying now. It just infuriates me. Not only by how she is deceiving fans, but how many believe her! 349 comments on one of her posts?? Seriously? Do people really not know Michael that well? Omg...
I gotta go cool down now.
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Susanna
22 posts
Dec 28, 2009
10:02 PM
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A,
Yes, you were right on with that feeling. I had those same thoughts too, but at first I thought maybe it was just me, but when other people began questioning her, I knew something really was off. I have read that it can take a year for the grieving process and MANY of Michael's fans are still grieving. It is becoming so obvious that she is playing on their emotions. I highly doubt she would be able to verify any information that she is comminicating with Michael.
It is so rediculous that on the one hand, she says Michael does not have any public messages to offer, because he is busy with his schooling and training for his new "mission" or "calling", yet he is available at her beck and call to do readings with her?
Just not making sense. Wake up and smell the roses, peeps.
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It's all for love...L.O.V.E.
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Carmen68
15 posts
Dec 29, 2009
1:02 AM
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I don't know which is more sad or disturbing - an alleged psychic charging money for alleged contact with a deceased celebrity, while fans of that celebrity are still grieving and vulnerable, and without offering any kind of proof or validation of said contact; or the people or are vulnerable enough, foolish enough, desperate enough or depressed enough to pay the fee for said psychic's "services."
I have a saying: "You can lead people to information, but you can't make them think."
Nothing positive to say about this. Most unfortunate.
~Carmen~
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A
13 posts
Dec 29, 2009
4:55 AM
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Susanna,
I think that the fans will finally wake up to her deception, indeed she is contradicting herself by saying that MJ is too busy with his studies and yet he is always available to her whenever she wants to reach him for personal channeling. This does not compute.
Amy,
The 349 comments are from the same group of people who keep on replying to each other's comments. They are a pretty active group, I used to be part of them, blogging a lot. Their grief over Michael is very intense and their gratitude to CB is very profound. She keeps Michael alive for them. It is as though Michael is living at her house and that she can reach him any time. If it were not so sad, it would be comical.
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With L.O.V.E
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2009 5:10 AM
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jmm
58 posts
Dec 29, 2009
5:08 AM
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I blogged there for a while also but stopped for the same reasons. I was uncomfortable with all the praise and accolades given to CB and didn't like that she reviewed the blogs with a thumbs up or thumbs down. It was too controlling. Something just didn't feel right and my instincts told me to not trust the whole situation.
A cult is a good discription Susanna
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A
14 posts
Dec 29, 2009
5:23 AM
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Definitely cult oriented. I also noticed how she plays favorite with some members, telling some "I love you" therefore insuring their devotion at one point she even wrote "I know all of you who really love me" That was a bit too much at this point. I am sure to show their devotion, the fans must have called for private paid sessions.
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With L.O.V.E
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jmm
60 posts
Dec 29, 2009
5:32 AM
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A, you are right!
Love, JMM
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smt
8 posts
Dec 29, 2009
6:12 AM
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Susanna,
I also visited the site you posted. WOW how disturbing....as Michael stated to Bonnie, "Don't take things at face value, dig a little deeper." I wish all the others following her would do the same. Maybe in time they too will wake up...
This whole CB situation makes me so angry. What a cruel and inhumane thing to do to others who are experiencing so much pain and hurt.
Sonya
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MlovesYou
2 posts
Dec 29, 2009
7:09 AM
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Dear Bonnie,
I am glad that you are so brave to speak out!
I find it terrible that greedy people like CB continue to exploit Michael and his fans even after Michaels death. This kind of thing happened a lot when Michael was still here on earth and in my believe Michael had to die because of money-greedy people that were surrounding him.
That is why it is so unbearable to see that even now there are still so many out there who see their chance now to get their "piece of Michael Jackson".
We all here are grieving for someone we love and miss so much, someone who meant the world for us, someone who has changed our life for the better and was a rolemodel for us. However all these greedy people can think about is how to capitalize on our grieve and sadness.
This part of the "human nature" is really scaring me and makes me unbelievably sad. These people really need to wake up. And I hope that all the misleaded fans will wake up soon enough before their money goes in the completly wrong direction.
Michael always supported many well-known charity organziations and I am sure he would be happy if we fans would contine to give to those honorable organizations and therewith continue his legacy of love and giving, instead of supporting shady people like CB.
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DLB
46 posts
Dec 29, 2009
7:29 AM
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Susanna thanks for the information!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My mother is a cult of personality. All for her were used, all against her needed to be destroyed, she is the innocent victim in all of this. She is only doing God's work and exposing everyone else. She always has to keep fresh followers on to her, because the adoration does get old and fade. Those of us who know her she has done everything to destroy our stature a crazy maker. This Billie Chaney, seemed too familiar to me, I was afraid of saying negative until the first thread about her started, because I know how mean those types of peoples followers can be, and didn't know if I would find any here. I have found in the past that not denying their experience while challenging the manipulator works to at least keep them from being too mean. There is a real risk with followers of these types, because the fear of loosing whatever it is these people are selling is so strong.
A and Jmm I am so glad you are out of there, the thumbs down thing can be a way to keep the ones who follow afraid they might loose their chance to buy Michael. Keep them for Billie, and against those who challenge so they will remain good enough to continue to earn the right to pay for her services.
Jmm, yes keep us informed if anything positive comes about. But positive discussion, will probably not happen, she needs her personal defenders.
Carmen I hear you, I write things and take them out about those who follow, because I do not trust what to think.
Sonya, mind games are the cruelest games. I fear more for her followers when she is exposed now then I did before.
Dawn
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Carmen68
17 posts
Dec 29, 2009
8:31 AM
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Hi DLB (and my fellow posters in this thread)
I have a tremendous amount of respect for Michael's fans world wide, so I don't mean to post anything that may come across as negative. Collectively speaking, I have come to know Michael's fans. They are, in a way, a kind of reflection of him: He loved them, and they loved him. They stood by him throughout his ordeals, and never lost faith in him. They came to know him in some ways as a person over the years and knew not to believe all the tabloid 'news' about him. He moved them very deeply, and they gave him something that he needed as an entertainer, in my opinion.
My personal observation since last July is that there are fans (and this would apply to any group of fans any where in the world, for any entertainer, so I'm not singling Michael's fans out here) who really would benefit from professional counseling at this point. A psychic is NOT a therapist. Not in my book. Those are two entirely different professions.
Looking back, I see Michael's death as having brought some personal issues to the forefront in the lives of some people - issues that had perhaps been dormant or 'sleeping' for years. People react to death differently, and the death of a major celebrity can be profound. Unfortunately, instead of seeking professional help to deal with grief and loss, and possibly other personal issues that may be bubbling to the surface, some people are turning to a kind of 'drug' that enables them to be 'close' to Michael while not actually dealing with what may need to be faced and dealt with.
If there are 'cult' followers or 'members' within Cherokee Billie's 'fan base,' and if they are Michael Jackson fans, then I personally am highly inclined to believe they were practically cult followers of Michael, to begin with. There will most likely be parallels in that department. You can be a fan and a major supporter of a singer, dancer, actor, etc, without worshipping that person or fantasizing about that person to an unhealthy degree. Some people have a hard time distinguishing between fantasy and reality; some find reality so painful that a fantasy or illusion must be maintained at almost all costs.
I'm noticing some disturbing things in some of Michael's fans, and I don't say that to be unkind or judgmental. Again, I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for them collectively speaking. However, they are all human, and human beings have issues and personal problems in life. Some of Michael's fans have committed suicide over his death, most likely partly because they were unable to deal with or accept the reality of his passing. I use the term "partly" because from my point of view, when someone commits suicide or engages in some other highly destructive form of behavior over the death of a celebrity, it tells me (even though I'm not a professional therapist or psychologist) that that particular person had other issues to begin with, and those issues were not addressed in time.
The 'cult' like following that has been described by my fellow posters here tells me that many of Cherokee Billie's 'followers' may need some kind of help in dealing with themselves and/or their lives. In other words, I don't see Cherokee Billie as the root source of the problem here, when I take a step back. Please don't misunderstand: I am NOT condoning her actions in any way, shape or form. I do firmly believe, however, that she's filling a void or a desperate need that some Michael Jackson fans have right now, and if she doesn't fill it, some other 'psychic' will. . .Her philosophy might run along the lines of "Better their money in my pocket than in someone else's."
And yes, mind games are extremely cruel. I've been subjected to those myself in the past on the Internet. It's one of the reasons I remain so skeptical of the posts and claims made by so many people who claim to have known Michael or to have been involved with him somehow. People can hide behind a computer monitor and be anyone or anything they desire. I stand by my initial assertion that the people who really knew him, and really knew what he believed in and was about as a person, are saying very little. They are respecting his privacy, his memory and his dignity.
Again, "respecting his privacy, his memory and his dignity" are among the reasons I have respected Bonnie and started to really believe in her from the get-go. A real psychic must undoubtedly bear a tremendous amount of responsibility, not only to the deceased but also to the deceased person's family members, friends, and in the case of our dear Michael, law enforcement and fans. Bonnie knows when to stop channeling or saying things about Michael or from Michael, and she knows where to draw a professional and ethical line.
Does Cherokee Billie? It would seem the verdict, at least on this board, is NO. That's unfortunate. I do hope her 'fans' will wake up and focus on helping to heal themselves using genuine means and methods, and find constructive ways to deal with the pain of loss. Paying a psychic, whether the psychic is real or a fraud, is no substitution for therapy or professional counseling. That money would be better spent on getting professional help and dealing with the REAL issues in life, instead of on maintaining a fake 'connection' to Micheal.
~Carmen~
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DLB
47 posts
Dec 29, 2009
9:14 AM
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Carmen, I just returned from reading comments on Billie's site. I have to agree with a part of your assessment. Many of the responders were happy to learn things that were there to seek on their own. My sadness increased as I realized so many of them are disconnected from their center. Billie may be to many stating the obvious. But to these, people so disconnected from so many things, she is providing a link. I also, do not think she deserves a free pass. However, I can see the disassociation of those she is there for. Something in their faith experience, life experience, whatever, took them away from the simple truths.
Dawn
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marta
4 posts
Dec 29, 2009
9:30 AM
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The place to file a complaint regarding Internet related crime. Billie's a fraud, file a complaint.
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
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A
15 posts
Dec 29, 2009
10:32 AM
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To DLB and Carmen,
I agree strongly with both of your observation that many fans in the process of grieving lack something at the inner center level that places them in that vulnerable position to begin with. I know that with me, I was grieving the death of a beloved person in my life when Michael died, these two deaths found me at my most vulnerable. With Michael, I needed and still need to be part of a community that is also grieving his loss. I can grieve my friend with other people in my family but with Michael, the sentiments toward him outhere can still be negative, so I often feel alone in my grief over him. I needed and still need to be with other people who understand the loss of Michael and who also love him which is why a lot of us gravitate to CB or to Bonnie's blogs. I need to be with people who will not be critical that a fifty year old woman is grieving over a pop star after 6 months of his death.
However, I have to give a share of responsibility to CB in the dysfunction after witnessing some of her manipulation tactics with fans. She first channeled Michael every two days or so. I suppose when she started getting criticism she invited the fans to sympathise with her, calling the critics "hate mail" I first started having my doubts when she took down a post about private Michael and Public Michael. Through my web browsing I found out that an author on his website had written something very similar, I wonder if she had plegerorize from there or perhpas not. Sometimes two people may have similar thoughts at the same time. No big deal. However, she began with the persecution thing and got the grieving fans involved, I was among those who believed her and felt the sympathy. What the sympathy led to however is adulation as she is being perceived as this great spiritual, gifted human being, a spiritual teacher who is poorly understood and criticized. I am sure a lot of the "hate mails" come from you guys who questioned her. In addition to the adulation, one can not disagree with her on anything, she is quick to tell people to go away.
At the begining, she did not want to have a blog about Michael, she wanted the blog to do more spiritual teaching, the fans however always turn the spiritual blogs into a Michael blog which annoyed her quite a bit, she tried to re-orient them, forgetting that the reasons we are there was Michael. Our needs and her needs did not always harmonize. I believe she was a little aghast with some of us. I think it occurs to her to get paid for her services about Michael later on. She first threatened not to post about him except for private sessions which is what she is doing now. The blog I believe was a way to form a clientel not specifically about Michael but for generalized psychic services. In reacting the way she did, she opened herself up to be srutinized about her methods.
I do not think she consciously want to form a cult, I believed her behavior is fostering cult response in fans without meaning to be one. I perceived it when I was on her blog and not known of her experience with cult activities and that turned me off. After learning about it recently, I think she unintentionally took from this past experience to manage a group of people on her blog. Group dynamics can be interesting and the leader shape the group. In shaping the group, she unconsciously I believe took from her cult repertoire. I do not think she intended to bring a cult mentality to it but that is what the group was being shaped as. She responded to the weakness she perceived from the grieving fans who also came to her with lot's of other issues, therefore reapt to be indicted to a form of cult unintentionally. They are grieving and they want to be spiritual and they want to be near Michael and CB the guru can deliver that delusion.
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With L.O.V.E
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A
16 posts
Dec 29, 2009
4:58 PM
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I just cameback from checking on CB blog to see what she was up to. She resolved to stop posting about Michael but her reasons continued to be deceptive to the fans. She presented herself as being harassed and threatened which is the reason she gave. I took the liberty of posting one of her replies to one blogger who was questioning why she was stopping her blog. The blogger did seem a bit selfish in her request for her to continue with the blog in spite of the fact that she wanted to stop but her response was also very harsh and misrepresenting of what happened. I hope you do not take offense Bonnie. Here it goes:
on December 29, 2009 at 11:58 pm | Reply Cherokee Billie
Dear Heidi:
your attitude is one of such selfishness it’s hard to believe I ever allowed you to post on this blog. Would you want to do something voluntarily when you are being threatened with death and other things equally terrible? I don’t think you would. So if you don’t think I’m nice please go to the other’s psychics who think they contact Michael and listen to their messages.
I’m tired of your constant complaining here and personally to me. No one has been more annoying than you.
Cherokee Billie
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With L.O.V.E
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MsChrisC68
28 posts
Dec 29, 2009
5:43 PM
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Sheesh!Wow,A, She is a negative person.I hope no one can get her response to that poster as anything but negative.Well,I think in the months to come,things will dwindle down.Let's all pray for her "followers" to see the light!
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Ms.Chris
Check out my poems:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/422036/christine_clarke.html
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DLB
49 posts
Dec 29, 2009
5:44 PM
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WOW.
"Who think they contact Michael."
I can't even think of why she would claim to be threatened with death. She may have been threatened with the law. Could be someone who could make an impression got through to her. Voluntarily is not what she was dong. Thank you so much for letting us know.
Dawn
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MsChrisC68
30 posts
Dec 29, 2009
5:56 PM
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I guess now she is playing the "victim" card to gain sympathy.I think we should pray for her,too!
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Ms.Chris
Check out my poems:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/422036/christine_clarke.html
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DLB
52 posts
Dec 29, 2009
7:28 PM
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The viciousness, can come from followers of the personality cultist is not their's to own, they do not know what they have done. They have been fed something they lost. They did not know what they were fed was free if they only looked up. The saddest thing of all, and the thing society needs to look at itself for, is so many lost so much, that was theirs from the beginning. I do believe that those who feed off of them are not all doing so intentionally, I would hesitate to point my finger at anyone. It may be that Billie Chaney feels compelled. I have felt compelled to reach to as many as I can, but never to charge for it. I am at a lost as to what to say.
Dawn
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A
17 posts
Dec 29, 2009
9:33 PM
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Dawn,
The followers are not ready to give up yet. Many are asking her to open a private blog. I bet that to CB this must sounds very tempting, she can even charge a monthly fee for membership. At this point, I trully feel that Bonnie and those of you who have written emails have done all in your power to prevent Michael's name, his memory and his fans from being exploited during this difficult time of grieving his loss. Bonnie's efforts and yours are admirable and did not fall on deaf ears. I among others did listen and felt curious enough to investigate who the "HATERS" were and surprise, surprise I found you guys. Perhaps more will take the same path and investigate for themselves. You would think that CB constant deleting of her posts where she asked for donation, where she announces channeling Michael for a fee and the like would raise suspicion among the fans. It is refreshing to see people who love and respect Michael fighting against further exploitation of him in death. This is really admirable and touching.
Much blessings to you Bonnie and all the bloggers on this site.
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With L.O.V.E
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DLB
57 posts
Dec 30, 2009
4:10 AM
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A you are a sweetheart, I am glad you found us here.
The removing or things at her site seems to further confuse her followers. Those who still support her have my full sympathies. Those like you who looked elsewhere and found other things to think about and say, have my full respect.
Dawn
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jmm
61 posts
Dec 30, 2009
5:30 AM
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Hello all,
I have been reading your posts about Cb and I agree that there is nothing more anyone can do. Hopefully her bloggers will wake up and see they are being exploited. Love to all of you, and Happy New Year!
JMM
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DLB
68 posts
Dec 31, 2009
1:16 PM
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JMM
Don't be surprised if they do not. Remember they do have a void, she did fill it. The things she says are things people would all like to believe for themselves. It is not just Michael's spirit being channeled they are defending. It is an afterlife being trained away from the mistakes of the flesh experience to serve the greater good.
It is hope. To challenge CB is to challenge the hope of more then this out there.
Dawn
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Heidibear
2 posts
Jan 01, 2010
8:07 PM
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I was very surprised to learn that Cherokee Billie was part of a cult and that is not her real name. She makes me sick. How dare she take advantage of innocent people who are hurting? I trusted her and I was very hurt by her. I got so upset when I learned she was a fake that it made me cry. It made me feel like I was losing Michael. I believe in the afterlife. I know I will not be going to Cherokee Billie blog anymore. I want nothing to do with her. I don't see how she can sleep at night. She is using and abusing Michael's good name for money. I believe his family should sue her for defamation. It saddens me that this is still going on and some people have no respect for Michael even now. I just want to know the truth. Sincerely, Heidi.
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DLB
78 posts
Jan 01, 2010
8:35 PM
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Heidi I am so sorry that you were hurt.
The presence of those we have lost in our path can still be felt. Remembering them can bring the feeling of their presence. Remember the humor, the playfulness the sincerity, and the stubbornness. What you relate to and remember. The truth will find you. It is sometimes easier having been lied to to know truth when it comes to you. Your search is more
poignant your ears more willing to hear in the silence, your ability to trust yourself is stronger.
We are all searching here, and learning together, welcome.
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A
22 posts
Jan 01, 2010
10:45 PM
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Heidi,
First let me say how sorry I am that you felt so hurt over CB's. The good thing is that out of this hurt you have found your way here. These are very nice folks around here who are truth seekers, learning together. You are in very good company with those who love Michael and work at preserving his memory and dignity. Here there is a sense of sincere caring about Michael's legacy including fans and ourselves as we too have become part of his legacy. We have united in his spirit and appreciation for Bonnie's work as a psychic researcher and spirit advocate. This is a very interesting site. There is a lot to learn from this site in general. The Spirit Advocate TV section is very interesting, really answering a lot on spirituality and life after death questions that puzzle us all.
I used to post over CB blog but left after I felt a certain degree of discomfort about several issues.
Let me add my voice to Dawn in welcoming you.
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With L.O.V.E
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Heidibear
3 posts
Jan 01, 2010
10:50 PM
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I have known of a book written by Billie Chainey titled Heavenly Seduction. Have you heard of the book? It is about her introduction to a cult. I am shocked to learn this information about her and I am glad I know the truth. Thank you for sharing the truth with me. I greatly appreciate your kind help. Sincerely, Heidi.
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Susanna
24 posts
Jan 01, 2010
11:05 PM
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Hi Heidi, and welcome.
I am so sorry for what you had to experience, but, on a positive note, sometimes those negative experiences can lead us to the truth. It seems like, since Micheal's death, I have been on this roller coaster truth seeking journey and learning to discern facts from fiction, not just with Michael, but with seeking out spiritual truths as well.
It is really sad what CB is doing, but I have a feeling that Michael knows what is going on and I beleive that this "cult trap" will eventually disentigrate. She has already done the damage; it is just a matter of time. I have decided the best thing to do is to pray about it, leave it in God's hands...Or Michael's and hope that the MJ fans that are following her do not suffer too much from her dishonesty.
The decision she made to go private with her blog was a relief to me, because her messages are no longer being displayed to the public and hopefully keeping other MJ fans from getting sucked in to the lies.
S.
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It's all for love...L.O.V.E.
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A
23 posts
Jan 01, 2010
11:14 PM
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I have heard of the book but have not read it. I believe that it is OK for people to make mistakes as we are all here to learn from our mistakes. I am trying not to judge Ms Chainey's past. It can even be admirable when people engage in confessing their mistakes for the sake of teaching others, unfortunately some write books about themselves and their experiences for money as the prime motivator. It seems like the most important thing after we make mistakes is what we chose to do with the learning experience and how we use that experience in our personal lives and our relation with others. Sometimes mistakes are made and no lessons learned. Sometimes, the experience leads us into misguided direction.
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With L.O.V.E
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A
24 posts
Jan 01, 2010
11:29 PM
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Heidi,
On Dec 29, I took the liberty of copying and pasting CB's nasty response to you from her site. I was really shocked about the way she answered to you after she claimed herself to be a spiritual leader. I hope I did not offend you with the posting here. If you want me to delete it, I will, just ask me.
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With L.O.V.E
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Heidibear
4 posts
Jan 01, 2010
11:37 PM
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It is okay about the message from Cherokee Billie. I am happy people can know how mean she can be and will learn the truth about her. Thank you for your support and compassion. Sincerely, Heidi.
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Heidibear
5 posts
Jan 02, 2010
12:02 AM
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I have also learned about Billie Chainey that she is a U.S. citizen, born in 1951. She joined the Children of God in 1978 after being "fished" into the cult by a man named Gideon whom she later married. In 2006, she self-published a book, Heavenly Seduction, about her experiences in the children of God. Chainey is permanently disabled and has fibromyalgia and Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy. She wrote her book using voice to text software. The proceeds of the sale of her book will go to pay the costs of her medical care. She lives in the Dominican Republic.
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jmm
68 posts
Jan 02, 2010
6:36 AM
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Heidibear,
Thanks for your post and the info. Good to see you here! JMM
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DLB
79 posts
Jan 02, 2010
7:40 AM
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Heidi,
You have been in our prayers since before you came here. We are so glad to see you here. Michael's continued spirituality has caused so many to question the loss of life after the body dies.
Spinoza states that the mind was created at the thought of God, the body at the need of the mind. Simply because the body has ceased the mind has not.
We all have been taught that the spirit world is a mystery. Those who claim to speak with them, have a choice they can be an advocate for the spirit world teaching those of us in body to listen and find. Or not. The spirits are not there to be seen when wanted. They are there this is now their life. I read once the story of terror at leaving the known comfort of life to the unknown the story was about being born.
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Heidibear
6 posts
Jan 02, 2010
4:34 PM
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Thank you for your kind support and compassion towards me.I am truly and deeply touched by your thoughtfullness and love shown to me. I am very grateful for your warm welcome and caring. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am truly touched by you thinking of me and the warm welcome.Thank you. Sincerely, Heidi.
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DLB
80 posts
Jan 02, 2010
5:13 PM
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I found this on the Internet tell me if this sounds familiar:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_God_(cult)
Spirit Helpers
These include angels, departed humans, and even famous mythical characters, for example the goddess Aphrodite. Spirit helpers are sent to give instruction and to fight in the spiritual warfare taking place in the spiritual dimension that TFI members believe is coexistent with the physical world that surrounds them. These helpers are believed to relay divine messages through prophecy and are also engaged in combat with Satan and his demons. TFI members believe that referring by name to spirit helpers when calling on their help, or demons when rebuking or cursing them, affords greater power to their prayers. As a result, TFI regularly publishes names of individual, as well groups of, spirit helpers and demons, linking them with their respective areas of power within the physical world.
That explains a lot. It is not hard to see why Billie Chaney's "Channels" are so much different then anyone elses. The reason no one else channeled Michael learning to be a spirit helper, because this comes from her belief system. Just like in life, she may have heard him at first, but her belief system would not allow her to hear him except through the filter of her own understanding. This doesn't mean her actions are deliberately cruel. It means it is her understanding she was speaking not Michael's. And being this teaching is not within the norm, anyone hearing could be led to believe it is true, since it is so unfamiliar.
She may have left part of the Children of God, but not all
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Heidibear
7 posts
Jan 02, 2010
9:14 PM
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Thank you for sharing. Sincerely, Heidi.
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Susanna
25 posts
Jan 02, 2010
9:34 PM
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DLB,
You hit the nail right on the head. The clairvoyant I was speaking with said it could be the higher self or her own spiritual experiences/beleifs filtering the messages. So, Michael MAY have come to her in the beginning, but if she was diluting his message with her own experiences, she was not serving his purpose to get his message out.
Something that I noticed as I looked back at the different messages from different mediums/psychics is that the following weeks after Michael's death, he was reaching out. ALOT. You have Bonnie, Julianna, Christian...And MAYBE CB. However, when I listen to the first three people I have stated, it was as if Michael wanted certain messages sent out, and he seemed to be very insistant in the beginning of wanting to get certain messages accross. But it seems that CB used Michael's messages for her own gain and not to help Michael. He said himself, he will not go back to someone who tends to put their own spin on his words.
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It's all for love...L.O.V.E.
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DLB
81 posts
Jan 02, 2010
10:07 PM
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In the beginning they all seem to say the same thing that he was confused at being dead, didn't know he was dead, wanted everyone to know there was more out there. We can only know what we know. And CB knows the beliefs of the family. It is too bad that more or her followers don't come here like the ones we know and love here. The similarities are too clear. More people would learn to trust themselves, rather then put their faith in another person. We are all only as much as the sum of our experience filtered through the challenge of our understanding and ratified by the beliefs we found to follow.
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